Isn’t that what usually happens with humanity?
the current god pantheon does something that kills billions. Everyone cheers and worships the gods.
Repeat and profit
Well, sad reality is a good percentage of 8 billion people are cheering. They dont understand it or are in so deep in whatever propaganda they believe in, have made they apathatic and or just defeatist.
It’s the 0.1 percent being supported by the 1% who are a lucky day away from joining them, and the 9% who live pretty good lives as rewards for helping the 1%.
Pyramid scheme all the way down
I am talking about bottom ones who are working their ass off neck deep in debt. Who are not benefitting anything but still cheering them making there own pride in religion or straight up licking ass of likes of musk on social media. Personally ive been very demotivated (not defeated) as i try to explain the situation and dangers of insta to my school buddies only to meet with my brain exploding logics and ignorance.
“You have to respect the democratic process, otherwise you’re literally a terrorist!”
While ignoring that fact that the American democratic process was started by terrorists.
While us poor saps blame each other and tell the other to use paper straws.
This is why I’m honestly done taking any blame for the environment. I can conserve and become the Greta Thumberg of environmental causes and a billionaire will undo my work with one weekend getaway trip.
You want to help the environment? Start building gallows for billionaires
start building gallows
Just no. Join an org, get involved, learn to organize. During the French revolution the guillotine didn’t overthrow the aristocracy, they were mostly used on other peasants. What actually worked, was taking their shit.
You are right to want justice, but building gallows is what they will do, its their twisted justice. “When education isn’t liberating it is the dream of the oppressed to become the oppressor.” We have the ability together, although difficult, to create a more just world. Destroying the material basis for their class, the ownership of the means of production, is the only thing that will can make this possible.
Join an org, salt a union, get involved. Its messaging like this that makes the left completely unpalatable. Wanting justice is good, but we can only have it if we come together as a class to defeat the rich as a class.
Time to take it to the next stage. “Building gallows” won’t do shit, might as well eat pudding about it. There is only one thing that has ever worked against them, and that is organization and withholding our labor power. In 1935, after the national strike wave that brought the US to its knees, we got our new deal. Next time, there will be no deal. We are taking the power and we will never give it back. And we will use it to build a better world.
So what orgs are out there building gallows that we can join?
Because this isn’t going to be fixed without bloodshed and I’m sick of wasting my energy helping treat the symptoms of this system when they just keep getting worse. We need a cure, not just treatment.
I’m not saying pacifism. What is a pacifist going to do when the ruling class uses incredible violence against us? Just like they do every day, with no warning or reason? I’m not a hand-wringing liberal, but mass murder is not a viable option. Violence creates problems that can only be responded to, and solved, with violence. And sometimes, its necessary to defend our selves, our class, our communities. I would recommend a kind of armed nonviolence such as was practiced by the Deacons of Defense and Justice (but don’t believe the liberal distortions, they were tough.) Armed defense, shoot at us and we shoot back. The revolutionary activity must be defended. But violence is a tactic, not a strategy.
There are revolutionary socialist orgs you can join. No one here is advocating for reformism. But an individual using violence or not, can’t affect change. If you actually care to affect change you will get organized somehow. If not then you can complain online, and make sure your perspectives are never heard or boosted by anyone. Seems like a shame to me, I’d rather you were with us.
But if you aren’t organized, you are actually part of the problem, because the default without anyone doing anything, is the billionaires use their violence against us. Sounds like you are tired of being part of the problem, but can’t see any options. Well, I’m telling you, there are options.
Im old, im past all that other stuff like protesting and joining groups. It never works or helps. I’ve become a bit of an anarchist in my older years as I realize humans just self sabotage and refuse to change unless they’re forced to. I know that a perfect system is impossible and that getting even a good system is too far from where we are. So you go ahead and organize and waste time and one day you’ll be old and go “i should have built gallows when I was young and didn’t have everything to lose”
Or go ahead and organize and do your thing and be peaceful and positive and pretend that’s all it takes, while some of us want to make them see their own blood and have them run for their lives and know that both sides are necessary. We can both be on the same side but I am done talking and sending letters, all we need is a proper leader to give us the go. I may not be a soldier but I’m a good handy man and can build some structures and human sized spits for the billionaire roast, for whenever you guys wanna catch up and come to the conclusions us older leftists have reached
So what you’re saying is, ‘don’t organise, sit around and wait for someone else to start the violence’
Super helpful, well done
Nonviolent but measures like unions and strikes do very much work. I just say that annectotaly but there is probably some study about it.
They are probably considered “violent” or maybe only “agggrssive” behaviour by the capitalist class, because it threatens their income/revenue. Thats enough to make them change.
Completly overthrowing a whole economic system might work but is a big ask. Everyday people can do little things. Like unionizing, standing up to the boss or maybe even stand together with the boss and against the next higher-up.
You’re so full of shit.
First, I’m older than you think.
Second, organizing is not the same as yelling at empty government buildings for 3 hours on a weekend at a protest. That’s mobilizing, not organizing.
Third, all of the anarchists in my city are in orgs and groups, fight cops and engage in mutual aid. You aren’t advocating for anarchism, you are advocating for terrorism. And if you talked like this in one of their meetings they would kick your ass out for being a liability. What has terrorism ever accomplished but make the enemy stronger? That’s why the billionaires funds terrorist orgs, because they want forever war. You aren’t an anarchist. Malatesta was an anarchist, and he said to improve yourself and get organized.
I know dozens of old heads who are organized revolutionaries, and fight like hell on multiple fronts. You don’t sound old and wise, you sound like a 17 year old edgelord. Clueless, naive, edgy for the sake of social media interaction .
The idea that getting organized is somehow toothless reformism is just patently, hilariously false. You say you want to spit roast the billionaires, but you are carrying water for them. You are their bitch.
Do better, join an org, fight for the future
Juice is advocating for taking power from the privileged elite and returning it to the public at large. That won’t be peaceful. Strikes are not peaceful. They will certainly need you at some point.
This is why I’m honestly done taking any blame for the environment.
Why were you ever “taking blame” for the environment and what does it mean to “stop” doing so?
Serious question, because this sounds like the excuse my hick neighbor used to use for dumping used motor oil directly onto the ground so I wave fingers at this kind of rhetoric.
Just because corporations are the primary offenders, doesn’t mean you don’t have responsibility or accountability for at least the most basic measures. And more so, the accountability for allowing corporations is squarely on us as people who feed them massive amounts of money and then complain there’s no alternatives.
My suggestion for both helping the environment and ending billionaires is the one nobody wants to hear: stop spending so much money. Especially if you live in the EU or America, your money is the most valuable currency in the world, and every time you buy the latest model of iPhone or order Doordash, you’re harming the world and paying for the next CEO’s weekend getaway trip. Every time you pay for the newest game or go watch the latest movie, every time you pay for convenience, you’re feeding the system in a massive way.
It’s far to much to expect any kind of actual “revolution” to take place. We could literally cripple capitalism overnight with a general strike, but nobody wants the inconvenience. So the next best thing is we start hoarding money away from the grips of these liches and undead dragons.
You’re only expected to “sit idly” by the people who want you to stay out of the way. Ideally, you should be expected by society to organize and speak out against it. But getting a bunch of people to organize and fight back is difficult.
The system has trained the peonies to push down any peon that voices any complaints. They all believe that they have a plan and their plan will take them to retirement and anything else isn’t their problem.
Because of climate change? That’s not even on the ballpark when it comes to the worst case scenario estimates of the excess deaths because of it. No wonder young people are so stressed out…
Musk claims there have been people trying to kill him, so perhaps at least a few of us have their priorities in order.
Here’s hoping they succeed.
He’s apparently started his own security company so odds are improving.
They’ll succeed somehow. Even the awful people who die a ‘natural’ death tend to die a terrible death because literally nobody wants to treat them properly.
Always makes me laugh that musk is so surprised people want him dead, He was using his child as a human meat shield and there is even video proof of him abandoning his child when he fell down some stairs.
Dunno about you, but I wanted him dead when he started throwing Nazi salutes.
pretty much around the same time, if I’m honest.
I can’t think of a billionaire I haven’t harboured a deep disdain for in the last decade, about since I’ve been old enough to form a coherent viewpoint.
No you’re supposed to thank them for it
By giving them all your money.
We’ve been doing that for quite some time now (beginning from industrialization? Early knowledge about the environmental impact)
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Be the change you want to see. Make sure you’re legally armed and be ready to defend yourself and friends from neo nazis.
There are many places you can’t be legally armed. In Canada for example firearms are legal for hunting purposes, but even using one for genuine self defense will lead to lengthy legal battles at best.
one gets attacked, one uses what one has to defend themselves . That way one lives long enough to see court.
Yes it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Then sit there, do nothing, and be a forced bottom.
There are plenty of ways to defend yourself without guns and explosives.
No need for that talk. You have no idea what youll do until it happens. Donf act like you’ve seen this happen. You haven’t. So hold your judgment until your sure that you can back up your bravado
Yes please, but not before we perfected humanoid servants and the trillionaires are done with the preparations of their lairs.
Ribbit…ribbit, ribbit
Fun fact… Frogs will at some point realize they’re in pain and jump out, no matter how slowly you raise the heat
Maybe it’ll be true in humans. Any day now…
Is it getting hot in here or is it just me, ribbit?
I’m pretty sure I’m not currently being killed. Also life expectancy is still rising and people are getting older then ever. Doesn’t check out.
You’re being pumped full of microplastics, the climate is being shot so you can make funny AI memes.
But glad you’re feeling fine. Keep at it.
Go think back just any amount of years and check if you’d be off better.
Or you you know, keep whining while shitposting from the toilet about how terrible you have it.
That tracks, you’re fine so everyone else is, right?
Yeah and so are the majority of the other 8 billion.
The majority of those 8 billion live in China. Belt and Road is increasing life expectancy in the third world. Life expectancy in the US is declining.
I’m not even an uncritical China supporter, but you’re falling for a statistical trick. The billionaires fund the life expectancy studies, so they say what justifies their own rule. If you don’t want to change anything about the world, then shut up and get out of the way. But do yourself. a favor, and don’t be such a sucker
“A handful of people”?!
Come on, about 10% of greenhouse gas emissions come from flying. Amd that’s done almost exclusively by the common folks, not the tiny minority. A kilometre by train causes 99 % less (electric) or about 70 % less (diesel) emissions per kilometre than an airplane does, and is a viable way to travel, but people still fly. Because they prefer being assholes and kil their own children if not doing.so would inconvenience them evem just a little.
Similarly, feeding one person with red mean causes about as much greenhouse gas emissions as feeding 10 vegetarians. No need to go full vegan, but decreasing consumption of meat would make another 10 to 20 %. And then there are the private cars, something in the ballpark of 5 %.
About a quarter of oyr greenhouse gas emissions are caused.by things that.are completely unnecessary. Yeah, at the moment all of those three would be inconveniences, but only because others don’t do the same. High-speed railways take less resources to operate per passenger and reach about half the speed of an airplane (if you take time spent at airports into account), but the service is unusably.bad because everyone flies. And all the nice ready-made food is meat-based, because the other stuff doesn’t have enough markets and is therefore too expensive, thus staying on the shelves And also, public transit is not comfortable because it isn’t used by the rich, so there’s no motivation to.keep it at the level it has in Switzerland, where even the richest typically commute by train.
The greenhouse gas emissions.don’t need to be brought to zero fot us to.survive. We common.folk have the capacity to lower them by almost a fifth, which makes a huge difference in pur future Yeah, the remaining 80-ish % is in the hands of the few, but in this case even our 20 % is relevant enough that your excuse is appalling.
So because we can account for 20% of emissions ourselves we shouldn’t bother going after those responsible for the other 80%?
Why do you think we shouldn’t? (Or, alternatively, how do you come to a conclusion that someone thinks we shouldn’t go after those responsible for the majority of emissions)
Your thinking is extremely foreign to me and I would be interested in hearing your reasoning!
What you’re saying is we’re also to blame because we participate, as a society, in 10% of global emissions by flying. What about those same few who fly 2 people at a time in a private jet instead of 200+ in an airliner? People like that Starbucks CEO who would commute from LA to Seattle in a corporate jet, or any other rich fucker who can’t be seen near the poors and has to put out thousands on times the amount of emissions as the average person.
Sure, I’ll take my 0.000000001% of the blame, and Brian Niccol can take his personal 0.1%.
You’re right, it’s actually the poors fault! Lol /s what a stupid fucking take. Thanks for adding the same thing to the conversation that oil lobbyists were saying in the 70s
The oil lobbyists have been saying since the 70’s that they are responsible to the biggest share of greenhouse gas emissions?! Please show me even one place where they’ve made that claim.
Come on, about 10% of greenhouse gas emissions come from flying. Amd that’s done almost exclusively by the common folks, not the tiny minority. A kilometre by train causes 99 % less (electric) or about 70 % less (diesel) emissions per kilometre than an airplane does, and is a viable way to travel, but people still fly. Because they prefer being assholes and kil their own children if not doing.so would inconvenience them evem just a little.
The problem will always be price. So travelling to another country? I’m in the UK so it’s a bit limiting. But if I want to go to Paris. I picked a week a month away from now. So it should be too expensive, or too cheap. By eurostar the cheapest option is £95, by plane £74.
But the same is true of car vs train in the UK and it’s frankly at ridiculous levels. If I want to go into London from where I live (which is in a home county) it will cost £40 for a return on the same day. However if I drive, even in an older car that is subject to ULEZ. Then the cost is:
£12.50 ULEZ £15 congestion charge (although really, there’s plenty of places you can park outside the congestion zone but very central to pick up the tube to avoid this) £5 worth of fuel. Parking, depends. At the weekend there are many places you can reliably park for free.
It’s always cheaper than the train. But, notably if you park outside of the congestion charge zone, it’s significantly cheaper. If you’re two people travelling or in a ULEZ compliant vehicle it’s entirely a no-brainer. Here’s an interesting point. People are happy to park inside the ULEZ but outside the congestion charge zone and take the tube. Do you know why? It’s because coincidentally the last train stations outside the congestion charge zone are also the same station the fare is suddenly 2x the fare from the first station inside. Travelling within London on the tube, train and bus is affordable and mostly convenient. Getting in from outside, even a mile outside is not.
They need to fix this. The average person votes with their wallet, with convenience coming second. Train travel needs to be affordable and convenient. If it’s cheaper and convenient to use, people will use it and leave their cars at home.
But look, CO2 per mile is way more in a private plane. We really need to be putting MUCH more into stopping that. Just because the total from the normal folk is less than the rich boys (and girls), doesn’t mean the onus is on the rest of us. Per person they are doing a lot more to destroy the planet than the hoi polloi.
Come on, about 10% of greenhouse gas emissions come from flying.
Where the hell did you get that absurd number from?
