Walz in his address told people go out and observe and video ICE and this dude was murdered for it. It is long past time for not only the governors of the states to do something and the city and county elect officials as well. I can see this exploding over night and this getting much worse. It is time for the people to step in and do the job of our elected officials if they are unwilling to do it.
At some point, we just need to say, “if you want a civil war, you shall have one.”
The close up from the woman standing right there the whole time in the puffy jacket. https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/comments/1qlvp66/video_from_minnesota_shooting_from_woman_in_the/
This is what happens when the system fails to enforce the rule of law. The armed thugs have seen that they can get away with murder. They won’t stop murdering now.
How many more must they murder before people start shooting back?
Won’t be long before we start shooting back. Why not, if they’re going to kill you anyway.
This is what I don’t think they realize. There’s only a certain point to which you can escalate violence before retaliatory violence becomes the norm.
For example, if you’re in a warzone, and you know the other side has been instructed to “kill and leave no survivors,” you’re never going to just lie down and take it, you’re going to fight them back, because it’s die if you do, die if you don’t.
If this keeps up, there will be a point where ICE killings are so expected, that anyone in their path will take any means necessary to kill those ICE officers first.
They fucking realize. It’s the goal, that’s the only explanation. They want an excuse to roll out their tanks and APCs and start mass executions.
I’ve seen people saying this a lot, but the subtext seems to have been overlooked. They’re going to do it anyway, they don’t need an excuse, they’re cops, and they’ll simply manufacture a reason to escalate if people don’t give them one.
I think the important thing here is to allow them to manufacture that reason so everyone on the world stage (and the rest of the country) can clearly see it’s bullshit. Then it’s game on.
Bullies push and push and push because they want you to take the first swing, then claim you started it.
So while we wait for them to manufacture that, we let them keep murdering us? Fuck outta here.
Most bullies are cowards who will retreat when their victim fights back. You see most of those ICE shitstains scatter like roaches when the shots rang out? They’re cowards, 95% of them
Show up alone, you get arrested. Show up with 100 people, you get shot. We need to show up with 100,000+ people.
Organize! Join an organization! DSA, PSL, something anything!
I keep seeing this promised. But more Charlie Kirks have died than ICE agents, to date.
Didn’t have roving bands of charlie with backup and presidential support with guns being the aggressor.
Been saying this for months. Always hear “nonono that’s what they want, we need to stay peaceful”. Yeah. Enjoy being peaceful and dead.
It’s the only way I see this getting better.
That’s the whole point. Guess who will be under martial law or other excuse like this so elections go bye-bye
Just keep getting murdered until the election, then everything will be all right!
My point was that he will cancel the elections due to “national security” or some shit like that.
He’s gonna do that anyway, it doesn’t matter either way so it’s best to resist.
That’s exactly what Trump wants to justify declaring martial law and cancelling the mid terms.
At that point IDK what’s the best option.
“Oh no, don’t fight back, otherwise they’ll do what they were already doing anyway.”
The order and timing in which things happen is extremely important.
What terrifies Trump right now is the midterms. This is how he can get impeached and ultimately go to jail along with all his inner circle of traitors and Nazis for everything they did. He will use any excuse he can come up with to cancel those elections.
If you serve him one on a silver platter like that, he will absolutely use it. They will call the ICE officer(s) who got killed a “hero” and politicize the shit out of any event where a citizen shoots at then. Then they’ll cancel the elections for (security reasons).
It will be a heck of a lot harder for him to do that if we don’t give him that reason. I would also make it far more unpopular of a move everywhere among the political spectrum and ranks. This would also be the point where the idea of an armed revolt becomes far more popular as well.
The more the rubber band is stretched before it finally goes the further it will go.
Edit: Figures, the guy who wishes instant gratification with zero thought about effectiveness also downvotes the post that disagrees with him with a better developed opinion.
This is how he can get impeached and ultimately go to jail along with all his inner circle of traitors and Nazis for everything they did
In what fantasy? By the same party who already declined to prosecute Trump when they were in power?
You realize the Supreme Court’s ruling that presidents are immune from prosecution for any acts taken in their capacity as president, which they specifically said would include assassinating political rivals, didn’t come during Trump’s second term right? It came during Biden’s term. The Supreme Court literally told him, “You could assassinate Trump and nothing would happen to you.” He refused to even pursue him for prosecution.
Democrats WILL NEVER SAVE YOU. They never have. They’re guilty of genocide, and you’re relying on an appeal to their humanity. Don’t doom yourself, organize with actual humans.
With that said, I do agree with you that we need to be careful about how we move. I think we need more local authorities on our side, and I think the rhetoric by many local authorities is beginning to reflect that sentiment.
Start arming yourself, every ICE agent is a threat to you.
Or maybe not, these goons are untrained and easily scared when they come across a ‘real’ threat. I’m not saying you shouldn’t defend yourself or not resist arrest, seeing a firearm pointed to one of their colleagues might make them extra trigger happy.
Did you not just watched the execution of a man? What in that video made you think “good thing he didn’t give them a reason”?
It made me think that nobody is safe, because he didn’t give them a reason. seeing someone write that it would be best to bring a gun to this situation is what made me write that comment. Don’t really understand what caused all those downvotes because the ICE idiots do not show any restraint to use force, I really can’t imagine pointing a gun towards them will work out for that person. Hello, they are shooting people for filming with their phone; how to you expect to react to someone that could actually harm them??
It is simple, shoot on sight.
Fascists are cowards when 10 ice agents die, they will disband.
It is even better to do it before that. Slashed tires, burned vehicles, armed men wherever they go etc.
If a single shot is not fired would be best, but…
Saying this will get me even downvotes, but i think you’re very being naive and i sincerely hope you give the people you love better advice than what you write here.
What do you envision as a solution?
I don’t have one either, i think a lot of what’s been going on already is part of the solution. Showing up when they show up, vocally disagreeing with their actions, attending protests might all help. Clearly it hasn’t been enough, but i expect that unorganized armed resistance will lead to many more bodies while it might not lead to a meaningful change in power. Perhaps some on the side of ICE, but never enough for Trump & co to just give up power. If you’re willing to do lethal violence at least be smart about it. There is a reason ice chooses to do razzias in large numbers instead of spreading out across a neighborhood. I don’t want to condone or promote violence, but i guess killing them in their sleep when there’s no-one filming you would be the better option. Also, and i don’t like saying this, the guy that got killed brought a gun and yet he still died.
The execution of an armed* man, btw
No, they disarmed him before murdering him.
Yeah… After they beat the shit out of him 8v1.
Your gun isn’t going to do anything to help judt by existing.
Are you an idiot? Genuine question.
Stating facts doesn’t make me a bootlicker. lmao
I will continue to post this every time someone insinuates that someone else should murder Trump/ICE Agents/ etc. Instead, please focus on protecting you and yours.
In the US we have the Second Amendment. The fascists have been the ones screaming and yelling about the Second Amendment, but the truth is that all Americans have the right.
Owning a gun isn’t enough. Driving to Cabela’s and picking up a vermin killing .22 is not enough. You should buy a proper rifle, a pistol, and a knife or baton. (Bonus points for a shotgun) Then you need to train with said rifle, pistol and knife/baton. Go to a range and shoot. Look for local self defense/hand to hand combat with a weapon classes and train.
I am not advocating for violence…far from it. But I am advocating for knowledge because owning a weapon and not knowing how to use it is a recipe for disaster.
PS: If you can afford it, buy suppressors. Especially for your rifles. Suppression for the common citizen isn’t about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect.
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I’d like to add: get something that you can afford to train with. A riffle in some exotic caliber may seem really cool, but if firing 100 rounds ruins you, then you’re not going to train enough.
IDK about ammo prices in the US, but I’d get a riffle chambered in .223rem or .308win, because it’s the civilian version of the NATO 5.56 and 7.62, meaning ammunition is easier to acquire and potentially cheaper. I guess a handgun should be 9mm or .45 if following the same principle.
I would actually suggest getting a rifle in 5.56. The pressures are a bit higher than .223. You can shoot .223 out of a rifle rated for 5.56, but not the other way around.
Sure, and this is where I forgot we were talking about the US of Murica, because where I live I can’t privately own a riffle in 5.56 but .223 is just fine for sport and hunting. And you can buy surplus 5.56 FMJ rebranded as .223, at least I think that’s what it is, for sport and training (but not legal for hunting). Which was why I went with the .223 as my suggestion.
My theory is that this is rebranded military ammo https://huntershouse.dk/kat2654-.223-Rem./side18499-Magtech-.223-Rem.-FMJ.html Because it’s like half the price of the soft tip hunting ammo.
A suppressor is nice, but also adds length. Think about your use case and whether that makes sense. Also, in the US you have to get on a government registry if you get one. May not be much of a concern since you’re already on a registry if you buy a gun. (I know they say there’s no registry, but do we really believe that?)
When training I recommend doubling up on hearing protection. Have some ear plugs and then electronic hearing protection over top. Walkers are cheap and work well enough for most people.
Hearing protection is an absolute necessity, especially when training. Eye protection too. In the field, PPE is much less practical.
Looks like this guy either pulled his gun or threatened that he had one. Owning a gun was enough for this guy.
Jesus fucking Christ
Jesus Christ, he was on the ground. How was he possibly a threat to them?
- “he was reaching for the officer’s handgun”
- “he was resisting arrest”
- “he was assaulting an officer”
- “we thought he had a gun on him”
I’m waiting to see how the administration will spin this one. Obviously the MAGATs will just say “he shouldn’t have resisted arrest and he’d be fine right now” for sure, though.
they already started
The first time I watched this video I was immediately drawn to this guy, like why is he prancing off like that right before shit goes down?Then I watch it a few more times and I see he has that gun in his hand which appears to be similar or the same as the victim’s gun.Then I watch a few more times and it looks like dude in the gray may have accidentally discharged the gun and was the first shot which then initiated the others to begin firing.So this guy rushes in, takes the victim’s holstered weapon and shoots it as he runs away, which causes all the other itchy trigger fingers to fire, and dude just disappears? Wtf is going on…Edit I watched the other angle, I no longer think what I said above.
With this many agents wrestling him he could have had as many guns as you can fit on him, shooting him would still not have been justified. They had way more people that would have been required to have one guy controlling each limb for crying out loud. The dumbass who shot him has put the other officer’s lives in danger far more than the guy ever could at that point. And even if you could justify the shooting, the last 5 rounds the officer pumped into the guy while he was laying flat on his back absolutely weren’t.
yeah anyway someone pointed out that the gun was taken before the execution
and the pink lady video proves it, but for sure they’ll just lie as they always do without shame
So. 7 vs 1. And they were not able to restrain him. And then one of the 7, who was closest and on his knees, thought he might as well shoot him.
- 7 vs 1
- 6 people plus bystanders close by. Stupid to shoot in a situation like that. Unfortunately he did not hit another ICE baby
- he had no overview over the situation
Please start shooting them on sight. In is the only thing that helps. This here was another murder.
And that one hitting him in the head with the side of his gun while he’s being held down…
Did pistol whipping guy shoot him with an accidental pop?
The discipline of these guys is fucking awful, and that’s the best case scenario.
But it looks like they put him on his knees then executed him point blank.
I saw someone post below that they’re saying the guy was armed.
Now, it’s hard to tell what’s going on exactly in this video, but it looks like the guy in the grey jacket pulls a weapon from the victim’s waistband before a shot is fired. The man in grey then runs out of frame with what appears to be a gun in his hand.
If that was the victim’s weapon, then it was taken before he was shot and didn’t look like he was reaching for it in the first place.
This might be baseless from me. I just was watching the video over and over to try to get a sense of what happened.
What the fuck
Why would they stop? Because of a witty sign? Because everyone chanted Ice out? Because protests that happen for one day within the permitted area?
Hey you’re right! It’s time we protested for a second day. And maybe think about stepping slightly outside of the designated area.
