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    Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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    “The Earth is not dying, it is being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses.”

    Utah Phillips

    The deaths from climate change related Ice storms, floods, fires, heat waves and droughts are not due to “catastrophes”, or “disasters” they are calculated, premeditated murders for profit.

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      The bourgeoisie do not receive a wage. They receive our wages in the form of profit. If a maximum wage was introduced in the current system it would be made to benefit the bourgeois as they are the ones writing our laws.

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      They don’t get wealth from labor, it’s all about owning the shit that gets them wealth.

      And even then, they don’t sell it to buy things, they use it as leverage to spend the banks’ money.

      So it’s really about taxing more dividends, and any loans gained from leveraging assets.

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      There are a tiny proportion of relatively decent ones, such as Mackenzie Scott (Bezos’ ex-wife), so I would only ask that such a hunt not be completely indiscriminate.

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        All billionaires are bastards. Full stop. It doesn’t fucking matter if they got there through marriage. It doesn’t fucking matter if they donate to charity and seem like nice people. Nothing they can do can excuse the evil done by them or on their behalf to become that wealthy in the first place. You can tell they’re cool with it because they never seem to stop being billionaires of their own free will.

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          Keeping such a black & white view of things makes you no better than MAGAts, IMHO. There’s nuance to everything, and if you can’t be bothered to consider it then YOU are making yourself part of the problem.

          If you bothered to look into things & think them through, you’d see she’s using her wealth to generate even more money she can donate to good causes. If she just gave away everything she got out of the marriage right away, she’d be approaching the bottom of her barrel right about now instead of having much more to contribute to good causes as she now does.

          Step back from the anger, and get a bigger view of things, eh?

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            She’s unelected, and dictates the disbursement of a great deal of unearned funds.

            Big picture, no nuance needed: it’s feudalist to let her make these decisions.

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              Grow TF up & get with reality, dude. She’s working within a system she didn’t create. When you effect a complete overhaul of how the country works, we’ll talk. Until then, she’s doing much more good than most - certainly more than the bullshit your unrealistic excuses to be judgemental are.

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        They can give their money away if they really are decent. Like she is doing. A notice of the start of hunting season should be all they would need to move themselves out of that class.

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          Make it a Top Ten Hunt. The list would be fluid as they either dispose of assets or get eliminated. Spoils go to the charity of those most in need.

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            The list would be fluid

            If the killer keeps the money they take the ‘vacant’ place in the list, in the end the person most willing to use violence and most capable to buy protection end up with most money. Might not really be a meaningful difference to what we have now lol

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          Keeping such a black & white view of things makes you no better than MAGAts, IMHO. There’s nuance to everything, and if you can’t be bothered to consider it then YOU are making yourself part of the problem.

          If you bothered to look into things & think them through, you’d see she’s using her wealth to generate even more money she can donate to good causes. If she just gave away everything she got out of the marriage right away, she’d be approaching the bottom of her barrel right about now instead of having much more to contribute to good causes as she now does.

          Step back from the anger, and get a bigger view of things, eh?

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    They are the symptoms, not the disease. Capitalism will always create them on a long enough timeline. It is streamlined feudalism.

    If you have any type of head start under capitalism, for any reason, regardless if everyone profits, those who initially profited a little more will profit exponentially more at an exponential rate as time goes by.

    The claim is that under capitalism, everybody is better off. But if they earn 1.1 times as much as you do, as the years turn into decades into centuries, you will have earned a fraction of what they did. That difference matters a lot, especially at scale.

    If I get $1 and you get $100, that’s a big difference between us, but not life changing for either.

    If I get $1000 and you get $100000, that is a massive difference between us, trivial for me, definitely significant for you.

    If I have $100000 and you have $10000000, we might as well live on different planets.

    Capitalism doesn’t take this into consideration. Sorry for the somewhat juvenile example, I’m very tired, and am going to have another drink now.

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        Because if wealth is power, then wealth will not want to pay taxes, so it would wield its wealth as a weapon so as to assure that it wouldn’t. See? Taxes are laws. Capital is above the law. Can the law be enforced? If so, then yes, it would fix this. Unfortunately, a legal and democratic system cannot withstand the force of capital- which, incidentally, is also an agreement. It’s only as long as we play the game and let us be duped by it that this goes on, that’s why the power remains with the people. If we withdraw, it all collapses.

        True human unity and cooperation transcends all arbitrary systems of government, democratic or other.

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          I think we are on the same page, to be honest.

          My point is: the power should be with the people, as you said. Capital creates power. So let’s use a wealth tax to distribute it back to the people (and improve their living standards, drastically, while we are at it).

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      Your example isn’t bad. You could go further. 1,000,000 vs 1,000,000,000. Massive difference.

      The problem is when we live in a world when we have millions of people with less than $1,000, and others have more than $300,000,000,000.

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        Here’s another problematic aspect of the same-

        In 1913 there were 435 representatives in Congress. The population of the United States was ~97 million.

        In 2026 there are still 435 representatives. The population is about ~335 million.

        In 1913 each representative spoke for roughly 223,000 people.

        In 2026 each representative speaks for roughly 770,000 people.

        In 1789 there were 65 representatives, and about 4 million people, speaking for ~60,500 people each.

        Scale matters, a lot.

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    I think of giant monsters. Kaiju.

    A normal ant is no problem. An ant the size of a skyscraper is a problem.

    Money is the size here. A human with a billion dollars is a giant monster kaiju.

    It ain’t the species it’s the size.

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      And even more importantly, you have to figure out what is causing the ants to grow that big in the first place. There are billions of ants on the planet. Killing the couple giant ones does nothing if other ants can just grow to the same size.

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    Power, not just money, power in too few hands. Getting there also tends to require extreme selfishness, which only makes it worse for everyone else when the most selfish acquire said power. Democracy was supposed to disperse power across the community to explicitly prevent concentrations of power.

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          Power is owned by Capital. Capital is owned by Violence.

          Yes, power is owned Capital/wealth, But no has power in Capitalist system without wealth/money, just a fact. So no way is Wealth/money owned by violence. Perfect example is the political history of The 1st World, especially USA & even happening with ‘The Crazy Don’s ‘Mob Enforcers’. Violence is owned by all, but Privileged, like government forces with authorities, get away with violence.

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    On climate change, I gotta disagree. We have two major drivers of climate change: Greenhouse gas emissions, and land-use changes. The land-use changes go way back. We’re in the geological epoch called the Anthropocene, one in which humanity is the dominant force in shaping the biosphere. There’s some debate about it, but some scientists place the beginning of the Anthropocene as much as 15,000 years ago, driven by habitat destruction and resource extraction to support growing human populations. It takes a lot of natural resources to support each human to the standard to which we’ve become accustomed, and even the poor people in Western countries live a lifestyle that the Earth cannot sustain. It’s not just billionaires, it’s all of us.

    Similarly with fossil fuels. We know that a handful of mega-corporations produce the fossil fuels responsible for the majority of greenhouse gas releases, but they’re not the ones releasing the gases. We can’t just abolish them and expect nothing to change about our daily lives. We’ve reached a point at which even working class people in the United States can order up a taxi for their beef burrito.

    Instead, we can say that this wanton shredding of our natural inheritance enables flows of wealth that allow unscrupulous hands to skim criminal quantities off the top for their hoards. Even if we depose them, though, we’d still have the climate change problem to tackle.

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      If we depose them, we’d have access to their wealth to tackle climate change. And it wouldn’t be for building the doomsday bunkers they are now.

      Zuckerberg spent nearly $400 million for a bunker to be built in Hawaii. This was after Hawaii had fires that cost them nearly a billion in damages.

      Zucks $400 million purchase could have repaired half the nation-state. It would have immediately improved ecological recovery, and restore the canopy biome that helps pull C02 from the air as a natural deterent to Climate change. He’d then have most of the population worshipping him for doing so. Likely welcoming him anywhere in the state he’d want to visit.

      Instead he can now visit his bunker, needs it because the island hates him, and helped contribute to ecological collapse in building it.

      The problem is that billionaires are the worst humans imaginable to have such wealth. It will always go towards cthe acceleration of climate collapse for their benefit instead of preventing it. Whether you feel they’re a contributor or not, they’re still in charge of the resources that could easily stop climate change faster than any other mechanism on the planet.

      Instead they’re building bunkers with that money to run from the problems they’ve actively contributed to more than any other human on the planet.

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    They that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

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    Or more to the point; money is the problem. Currencies are useful tokens that make trade more convenient. But systems have been built around the simple concept of a trade token that a person can have power over others by just having a bigger number.

    But it’s just a number. Most of the time a number that doesn’t even represent anything real or physical. Just a number of a hypothetical thing(s) that has a certain hypothetical value because someone said so.

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      Money is not the problem. Money is being used to translate the value of the real resources that the Uber rich hold.

      They don’t hoard money. They hoard companies, houses, stocks, bonds, debt.

      When you work to create a surplus? It goes to them. When you pay your landlord? It goes to them. When you pay taxes? Believe it or not, it also goes to them through the form of interest debt.

      You gotta weed that shit out at the root. Tax wealth not work.