Is there some hidden pronounciation rule I’m not aware of? And why do we say F.B.I and not FBI or U.S.B and not USB ?
I know it seems a really silly question seeing the actual situation with the ICE eveywhere on the news… But this really bothers me on why people yell ICE when it’s actually the I.C.E :/.
If an acronym is convenient, it will overrule an initialism.
You seem to be insisting on avoiding the acronym that is right there, and I’m not sure why.
I do say FBI, though: pronounced like “Phoebe”
But nobody likes it when I do.
NASA, NATO, Radar, Sonar, Laser, Scuba, AIDS, PIN, SWAT, YOLO, CAD
The rule genuinely is “if it can be said as a word, it might be said as a word”.
They’re called acronyms.
BBC, TV, USSR etc. can’t easily be said as a word - these are just initialisations.
Okay I get that ! But in the case of the ICE both are actually acceptable.
I.C.E sounds good so those ICE. I guess in this context as some else said, it’s because they are “ice cold” (in this context).
Would it be acceptable in a conversation to talk about the I.C.E ?
Would it be acceptable in a conversation to talk about the I.C.E ?
I don’t see anybody getting thrown out of the house for daring to spell out an acronym that is usually pronounced as a word. What kind of people do you hang out with? It might cause confusion but context normally helps.
If you were speaking of I.C.E. to me I’d punch you in the face. Also if you referred to them as ICE. That’s because I refer to them, correctly, as the SS.
Hummm
If you were speaking of I.C.E. to me I’d punch you in the face.
Why? This is kinda the opposite you said just above
I don’t see anybody getting thrown out of the house for daring to spell out an acronym that is usually pronounced as a word.
:/
It was a joke. Because they hate ICE
As far as I’m aware, the rule is “if it can easily be pronounced, it should be pronounced. If it can’t, fall back to spelling it.” For example, if it was the Federal Investigation Bureau, we would probably call it the Fib, barring some major marketing campaign to prevent that.
They get called the feebs by some folks
If someone told me this is specifically why it isn’t called that, I’d believe it.
Acronyms vs Initialisms
No one is going to try pronounce Fbi, it’s awkward.
There are terms that bridge the Acronym/Initialism divide. SQL-Sequel, URL-Earl and GUI-Gooey are some that come up fairly regularly in my line of work.
The bottom line is; Language is used to communicate concepts. We are lazy and do it as efficiently as we can get away with. The rules have changed a LOT to get us where we are today. It would be blind hubris to think the change will stop just because we don’t like it.
I’ve been in IT for over 30 years and never once heard someone try to make an acronym of URL.
Never heard someone say earl for URL and I would not understand if someone did. That’s like if i pronounced FBI freebie
Funny enough… I do say S.Q.L or U.R.L 😅
Squirrel and Earl
Me too. And I say them on the World Wide Web, which is quicker to say than the WWW.
Dub Dub Dub
That never really caught on though.
On the W.W.W or Www?
SQL, back in 2015, officially transitioned from being pronounced Sequel to being pronounced EssQueueEll.
I still call it Sequel.
Then again, I say U R L, but also pronounce URI as Yuri. I also say L O L instead of Loll and I R L instead of Earl.
And then there’s mixed acronyms like Jaypeg and Empeg.
Yup, those are contested
FBI and USB aren’t words, ICE is.
POTUS isn’t actually a word, but it’s often pronounced that way.
The Depot of Transportation is often reduced to DOT.
ICE=Immigration and Customs Enforcement
FBI=Federal Bureau of Investigation
USB=Universal Serial Bus
None of those are words :/ but an acronym.
Perhaps you should read twice before you try to correct someone.
Did you know that acronyms are types of words?
And many modern words are elisions and concatenations of words we no longer use.
Where do you stand on OK, where it’s actually a word, or laser and modem which are nouns with specific meanings even though they were derived originally?
What about coke instead of coca cola, cocaine and compressed coal?
Yeah but modem is different. It’s a contraction of 2 words (modulation/demodulation) that’s not the same as an acronym.
Cuz this is OOSAH (USA), this is just how OOSIANS (USA-ians) talk.
Because it is a word, or it’s easier to say, or funnier.
It’s definitely not the only case. NATO comes to mind, or GOAT, NIMBY. Yesterday I heard someone say (in a tv series episode) ‘fudney’ for FDNY
What it ‘actually’ is does not matter.
It’s ICE, as in: cold as
Yeaah ice (water in solid state) does indeed is a word ! But the I.C.E isn’t !
I do get that we are very lazy, and it does sound better… but without context it seems like people are protesting against ice (solid water) which seems silly.
So, you now learned that human behaviour is often silly when observed without context
Not only without context… From the perspective of people not aware of.
Someone who knows about what ice is (solid water) this is very confusing if they don’t know about the I.C.E?
Briefly mildly confusing maybe. Not very confusing unless you’re already pretty confused about everything.
How are people hearing I.C.E. referred to as ICE without any context?
I don’t think anyone is confused into thinking that frozen water is racist or murdering people indiscriminately.
Or are you saying that someone said “I hate ICE”, and you thought they were talking about frozen water? Admittedly, if it was blurted out as a non sequitur with no other information it might be briefly misunderstood. Also, given the storm that hammered the U.S. recently, folks here could easily be talking about frozen water.
But all you have to do is ask for clarification.
ICE is actually pronounced “shitfuck”
You misspelled SS.
What about NASA?
N.A.S.A.? What about it? /s
Maybe this is some sarcasme… But why then follow rules if we can just say things how we prefer? GIF or JIF?
Because rules of language are not laws and are under no obligation to be consistent and/or make sense.
Er, aren’t you disproving your own point there?
There’s two ways GIF can be pronounced, so we use both.
Beats having to say “Graphical Interchange Format” or spelling it out every time we want to communicate with someone.
The goal is to condense meaning as much as possible without losing the original context.
Although with some acronyms, it actually takes longer to pronounce the acronym than spell it out, and we still pronounce it because of vocal flow (easier for the mouth to string those shapes together).
Not disproving, just making context on how confusing it can be if there isn’t proper rules to follow :/
Welcome to the English language, where there are two sets of rules to follow (Germanic and Latin) and social linguistic development often eschews both.
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