So, lets say we get to August or some summer month, and 4,000,000 people are protesting right out front the white house.

Do they send in the tanks? Do they kill 1,000,000 people? Would republican civilians see empathy for the dead americans who were democrats? Or would it unite the nation like 9/11 did, except this time against the government?

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    What a bunch of delusional nonsense. If enslaved people had the opportunity to buy guns, then obviously they would have, and obviously they would’ve been right to do so. Perhaps I should avoid reading and writing, since slaves were often not permitted to learn those things.

    1776 was a bourgeois revolution, it is not “my model for proletarian revolution” and I don’t have the slightest idea where you pulled that from. You are aware that countries outside of the US have had revolutions, right?

    Individualistic, consumerist thinking will not result in a “proletarian revolution” that’s just a bunch of people cosplaying freedom while they ignore the actual shit going on around them.

    “Buy a gun” is not “individualistic, consumerist thinking” you absolute clown.

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      1776 was the revolution where a bunch of people “bought guns” its the “individual buys a gun” revolution. You know the exact thing you’ve been saying and then getting upset whenever anyone elaborates on it in any way.

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        Nobody in any other revolution bought any guns.

        Again: Do you understand that countries outside of the US exist?

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          That’s obviously not what I’m saying. Most revolutions people did not buy the gun they used. The only examples we have of ones where everyone “bought their own guns” sucks. That’s what I’m saying.

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            This line of “logic” is so fucking ridiculous I don’t even know how to reason with it.

            Let’s say “the army” decides to start handing out guns to people. What if they don’t have enough guns to go around? Because it seems to me, that every gun a person already has is one less gun that “the army” has to procure somehow. It kinda seems like people who did the evil bad “individualist consumerism” of bringing their own guns to the revolution are actually bringing a greater contribution than they would have been able to otherwise, doesn’t it?

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              This comes down to ammo. if you have a bunch of guns they’re going to be useful until it runs out of ammo. If you are caching huge amounts of ammo and guns then yes that’s useful as long as you or your allies keep control of it. And caching ammo is harder and more expensive than just buying a gun.

              Like if your “military” is providing .223 ammo that .308 rifle isn’t going to be too useful for very long.

              The consumerist stuff isn’t “bad” its just “not useful” to the point I’d say its “deliberate misdirection”.

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                This comes down to ammo. if you have a bunch of guns they’re going to be useful until it runs out of ammo. If you are caching huge amounts of ammo and guns then yes that’s useful as long as you or your allies keep control of it. And caching ammo is harder and more expensive than just buying a gun.

                Like if your “military” is providing .223 ammo that .308 rifle isn’t going to be too useful for very long.

                Right, when I said “buy a gun” obviously there was no implication that you should also buy the appropriate ammunition to use said gun. I’m just telling people to buy unloaded guns to put on their mantles to look at.

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                  Are you telling them they should buy like 10 boxes of ammo and store them in different locations in case they lose access to a location?

                  No you just tell everyone to “buy a gun” like its a magic ward. You downvote comments that say “that’s not enough”

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                    I downvote your comments because they’re pointless nitpicking, not because you say “that’s not enough.” If you had said, “Also, train, join an org, and read theory” I wouldn’t be downvoting you. Instead you said, “lol buying a gun won’t fix anything” and dismissed the suggestion as “individualist consumerism.” That’s not “going further.”

                    I’m sorry that the pithy ending to a comment that was primarily about the history of Kent State was not a detailed outline of every possible tactic that could be effective at resisting.