It’s been a stereotype for at least the last 50 years. Why has this never changed? Why has organized labor not had a substantial effect for such an essential part of the workforce?

  • furry toaster@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    7 hours ago

    are they not underpaid everywhere else too? I don’t think this is a USA only issue, all public teachers where I live with the exception of teachers for universities complain about low salary

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      In Germany it’s just primary school teachers. For secondary school teachers, I think the wages are solid. The working conditions are still absolutely shit which is why I turned away from the profession (at least for now). But the wages are not the problem there.

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    That’s by design

    A dumb population is easier to control, which is why Republicans since Reagan have been slashing education whenever possible, trying to inject theocracy on there as much as possible, because religious dumb fucks are even easier to control

    That cutting salaries helps them with their greed is just a cherry on top of the vomit cake

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    Simple. Education isn’t the goal. The US doesn’t need well informed and educated people. They need drones that’ll follow orders from the oligarchs.

    They need workers ok with $7.25 an hour. Work 6 days a week then church on Sunday.

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    Supply and demand, along with historic sexism.

    • teaching (up to high school) has historically been predominantly women. And yes women used to be paid much less. That gap has narrowed a lot but “women’s work” still tends to pay less
    • there are hundreds of thousands of teachers. There are huge numbers. There’s always another
    • while it takes a lot to be a good teacher, it’s not so much to “teach”

    So I think we have a history of low pay, the vast number militants against that changing, and to appearance anyone can be a “teacher”

    Don’t get me wrong my family has significant history in the field and deep respect for the importance and to the huge impact a good teacher can make on someone’s future. But when my kid wanted to teach, after saying I would be so proud as would the vast array of ancestors, I added that you need to be aware of poor pay. To translate to video game, it’s doing life in hard mode

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    The answer is always greed.

    Teachers tend to like teaching. It’s a rewarding, “feel good” career. You know that you are helping kids, you get to watch them at their best. And, yes, sometimes at their worst, too, but that’s part of the deal - like watching your puppy chew up your couch and shit on the floor. Still worth it.

    Since teachers tend to be passionate, they put up with a lot of bullshit admin/management. Moreso than you might at a soulless corporate job. This isn’t limited to teachers, either. Consider other careers where people put up with bullshit, and you’ll see a lot of parallels.

    Art is a great parallel example. Everyone loves great art, artists love making art - but many people don’t want to pay for art. That’s why there’s so many passionate actors and musicians, but so few of them manage to eke out a living as a true professional. The passion is there, they are driven by their love of art, not by the material rewards.

    The business world loves to take advantage of passion.

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    because education teaches kids how to think and to know right from wrong.

    Which is why the cabal of fascist pedophiles have spent the past 50+ years trying to demonize and undermine it.

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    There are two parts. First, they aren’t as underpaid as most people think in most cases. The union isn’t dumb. When they negotiate they look at the long term. A career teacher (30 to 35 years) can retire at about 55 give or take depending on the district. And they will get something like 80% of thier salary for the rest of thier life. They will also get subsidized health insurance. And in some states, all of that is tax free. That is a ton of money and a ton of security. And for many, they can retire, collect pension, and go get another job at the same time if they want. I make more than double what teachers make best case, and my wife works too for a 6 figure salary. I can’t possibly retire at 55, let alone feel secure doing so. I also have been laid off twice over the last 30 years, where as most teacher don’t have to worry about that after 10 years. Now, I get to take vacation anytime of the year, I can change jobs or move and not mess up my future benefits. I don’t have to deal with parents. Lots of intangible benefits to not being a teacher. But the point is the union ensures those less obvious benefits, which keeps the current salary low. This keeps the optics of drastically underpaid teachers so that the union can still negotiate for more with public sentiment on thier side. So while they are still underpaid, it isn’t as drastic as it would appear.

    The other reason is simple. There are a lot of teachers. Like a lot a lot. And schools are generally built to a higher standard of saftey, so they are much more expensive than other building types. All of this adds up to a very high cost. Education is typically one of the largest expenditures for a state budget. Poloticians could dump more money into it, but it isn’t likely to be enough to make a difference that will get them reelected. So they put money other places that will get them votes.

    That’s your reasons why.

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    Teaching isn’t considered a professional job in the USA. It’s considered to be part of the service industry, thus the low pay.

    My entire life I have been hearing how teachers are overpaid, lazy, pathetic losers who just want to leech off the taxpayer. And frankly… probably 30-40% of them are. The profession attracts a lot of slackers. The other 60% though should probably be making double what they are. I went to school in a poor district and 1/3 of the teaching staff were shitty teachers and often day-drunk at their jobs. I had like 3 good teachers in my high school, most were doing the bare minimum.

    I wanted to teach but the salary was just too low to ever consider it. Nor would I ever have been qualified enough to teach at some elite private school where the pay is good.

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      I can’t recall ever having shitty teachers in public schools up until uni. In fact, I got amazing teachers who cared and sometimes went above and beyond. None of them came to school drunk, save for one uni teacher who was also named the top surgeon in my city. 🤷‍♂️

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    There’s a wild spread on both pay and the requirements to work as a teacher. Some places require barely more than a pulse. Some places require years of schooling. Some places pay teachers no better than shelf-stockers. Some pay a decent wage and/or have a decent pension/benefits system. It’s definitely not a monoculture.