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I’m reminded of a very old science fiction story.
Earthman crash lands on Mars. He wanders around and finds a village. It’s fully automated to provide the residents with anything they need. But because it was built by Martians everything is toxic to the human.
The village tries to adapt, but his biochemistry is too alien. Finally, starving, unable to go on, the just lays down in one of the beds and gives up.
When he wakes up, everything has changed. The village smells wonderful, the music sounds great and the bowl of food next to the bed is the best thing he ever ate. The astronaut is so happy that he can’t stop wagging all three tails.
Wow, I was prepared for Martian Chronicles or maybe a PKD story, but I love it! <3
Ironically it doesn’t matter what the form looks like, there’s a 50/50 shot everytime life develops if it’s right (us) of left (not us) biochemistry.
It literally doesn’t matter which happens, functionally the life could be 100% same except a mirror image.
Anytime two actually separate lines of life encounter each other, there’s a fight on the bacterial level of the ecosystem, and the “new” one will win 100% of the time due to stuff that would make this comment too long to read.
It’s not too long to read. I dare you.
Think of it kind of like small pox blankets. A violent anomaly introduced to an environment that can’t defend against it. I’d imagine that’s the kind of thing OP is talking about, but I may have misinterpreted their comment.
I’m gonna need a little more than that.
Thats a really fun concept but I came her to tell you that your username is great
Fuck yeah thanks. Dig that rabid shit
Here, water is mostly a liquid but there’s a ton in the gaseous state in the air.
A lot of places, water is just another type of rock.
Titan for instance is a really interesting moon. The entire surface, everything that looks like rock, is really water and ammonia ice. That’s just what their rock is made of.
This. The window in which water isn’t solid or a gas is very, very small.
But that’s also the window where life is likely to form and be possible, so it’s unlikely there are aliens who think it’s weird.
Where we think* it’s likely to form. We’ve yet to find verifiable genesis elsewhere, and so we can’t well determine whether the nature of our genesis is common or rare. And how many times has life started on Earth alone?
Similarly, our definition of life may need changing upon alien discoveries.
Where we think* it’s likely to form. We’ve yet to find verifiable genesis elsewhere, and so we can’t well determine whether the nature of our genesis is common or rare.
However, there really aren’t many candidates for systems of complex chemistry that don’t primarily revolve around water and carbon. Water’s role as a ‘universal solvent’ that’s not so aggressive that it tears other molecules apart is extremely important for life to be able to form, and it’s very difficult to replicate that effect with any other chemical.
And not even worrying about liquid water for a moment, the temperature range itself could be crucial to life forming and operating. At very low temperatures, chemicals tend to react slower, to the point of becoming overly stable and inert, so it’s difficult to get any complex reactions going that could lead to life. At very high temperatures, chemicals react quickly and become unstable, so it’s difficult to get any complex molecules to stay together more than a few seconds. Even without worrying about the chemistry of water, there’s a relatively narrow range of temperatures where the extremely complex chemistry of life is possible.
Maybe it’s possible for life to form and exist outside the normal ‘goldilocks zone’ conditions we think of as favorable for it … but the deeper you look into it, the less and less likely that seems.
And how many times has life started on Earth alone?
Only once that mattered. It has surely started countless times … but every time after that first one was extremely short-lived, because whatever primitive proto-life managed to develop in subsequent times was quickly out-competed and/or eaten by the life that had already developed, evolved, and become much more advanced.
We can be sure none of these other starts ever led to lasting lineages by looking at genetics and the chirality of certain organic molecules. All living things on earth share at least some genes in common, and their DNA (or RNA) work the exact same way, with the exact same chemical structures. For organic molecules that can either have left-handed or right-handed chirality, all living things on earth produce and interact with the same left or right-handed versions, never the opposite chiral pairs … even though it was only up to chance which one of them developed first. (DNA itself is one of those chiral molecules – in every organism on earth, the double helix of DNA twists in the same direction, never the opposite direction.) There’s no fundamental reason for life to prefer one direction over the other; if life had started multiple times and led to multiple lineages, we’d expect to see each lineage having different chirality preferences.
Similarly, our definition of life may need changing upon alien discoveries.
“The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.”
Nah. If it doesn’t at least mostly match that definition, it’s not alive.
Though if we ever manage to make self-replicating robots, we very well might have to revisit that definition … or accept that the robots are alive.
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This is why Signs was stupid.
Water is extreemly common in the universe. It also enables a lot of useful chemistry that complex molecules need. In turn it is reasonable to expect water is part of all life - not a given but most of the other options rely on something far less likely to occure.
This assumes there is life. Not a debate I’m touching. Although if there is physics is against us ever discovering it. Even if earth is an extreem outlier in taking so long to develop intelligent life and every other star has it in a few hundred years few will never detect another lifeform
aren’t we biased we study so much water based chemistry because that’s basically the planet’s solvent.
I imagine amonia could also have complex and distinct chemistry, or basically any polar fluid.
or is there a chemical reason why water is better?
Water is very common. Others might or might not work. Most ofthe others are rare. (Amonia is not rare, I have no idea how useful it might be)
Ugly bags of mostly water!
Ooh, there’s a great Asimov short story about this! Victory Unintentional (1942)







