That kind of contextual information is useful, but beware of anybody giving it to you without the bigger context of absolute numbers before and after. Liberal media loves using shifts like this to imply there’s a bunch of centrists who decided to change which way they’re leaning instead of “dems failed to improve the material conditions for their constituents, so fewer people voted dem. Meanwhile 12 black business owners voted republican instead of 6, an increase of 100%”
In 2016, CNN and MSNBC spent months using that type of framing to blame black people for Hillary’s loss, essentially calling them ungrateful, homophobic, sexist, conservatives.
a lot of black people are homophobic, sexist, and conservative. and racist.
both things can be true.
this idea that black people are all progressive liberals is just a projection from white progressive liberals complete lack of interaction with people outside their little enclaves. they aren’t.
black voters are largely democratic, yes, but they are typically not progressives on social issues.
What everyone forgot, esp on the Dem/liberal side, is you win by buying a coalition of voters around various issues on which they can find some mutual ground. Which is exactly what Trump did in '16 and '20 and the Democrats did with Obama in '08 and '12.
Trump focused on the border, economy, and other rhetoric around which a lot of people found common interest. And racism was one of those interests. Many Hispanic voters also wanted the border closed. My Asian friends parents were Trump supporters, because they were anti-immigration. They were first gen immigrant and they hate new Asian immigrants coming here.
Ahh, screw news media, we only have exit polls to go on, sadly those are percentages.
There were less black and white democrats and more black and white republicans voting in 2024 compared to 2020.
You can read that a lot of ways. One side will say it’s democrats defecting, one side will say it’s just them not voting while the other side was making maximum effort.
There is, however, a growing call, especially in the black communities, to stop supporting the DNC because they’re leaning so hard toward the white patriarchy (e.g.). Texas) that they’d suffer another 4 years of facism then hand off the reights to yet another half baked white guy in place of a black woman with decades of experience. The call is they know how to survive while oppressed, let the DNC figure it out or rot on the vine trying. And there were in fact comparatively half the black voters in 2024 than in 2020. where the white-only drop was 3-5%.
This is in no way meant to criticise their decisions. I worry that it’s the wrong way to go, but hell, they might be right. I just really wish my kids and their kids didn’t have to pay for all this to make it happen.
That kind of contextual information is useful, but beware of anybody giving it to you without the bigger context of absolute numbers before and after. Liberal media loves using shifts like this to imply there’s a bunch of centrists who decided to change which way they’re leaning instead of “dems failed to improve the material conditions for their constituents, so fewer people voted dem. Meanwhile 12 black business owners voted republican instead of 6, an increase of 100%”
In 2016, CNN and MSNBC spent months using that type of framing to blame black people for Hillary’s loss, essentially calling them ungrateful, homophobic, sexist, conservatives.
a lot of black people are homophobic, sexist, and conservative. and racist.
both things can be true.
this idea that black people are all progressive liberals is just a projection from white progressive liberals complete lack of interaction with people outside their little enclaves. they aren’t.
black voters are largely democratic, yes, but they are typically not progressives on social issues.
What everyone forgot, esp on the Dem/liberal side, is you win by buying a coalition of voters around various issues on which they can find some mutual ground. Which is exactly what Trump did in '16 and '20 and the Democrats did with Obama in '08 and '12.
Trump focused on the border, economy, and other rhetoric around which a lot of people found common interest. And racism was one of those interests. Many Hispanic voters also wanted the border closed. My Asian friends parents were Trump supporters, because they were anti-immigration. They were first gen immigrant and they hate new Asian immigrants coming here.
Ahh, screw news media, we only have exit polls to go on, sadly those are percentages.
There were less black and white democrats and more black and white republicans voting in 2024 compared to 2020.
You can read that a lot of ways. One side will say it’s democrats defecting, one side will say it’s just them not voting while the other side was making maximum effort.
There is, however, a growing call, especially in the black communities, to stop supporting the DNC because they’re leaning so hard toward the white patriarchy (e.g.). Texas) that they’d suffer another 4 years of facism then hand off the reights to yet another half baked white guy in place of a black woman with decades of experience. The call is they know how to survive while oppressed, let the DNC figure it out or rot on the vine trying. And there were in fact comparatively half the black voters in 2024 than in 2020. where the white-only drop was 3-5%.
This is in no way meant to criticise their decisions. I worry that it’s the wrong way to go, but hell, they might be right. I just really wish my kids and their kids didn’t have to pay for all this to make it happen.