Because humans apply higher standards to themselves then they do to other animals.
This is apparently an insane hot take, but personally, I don’t think it’s okay.
It’s okay to treat your dog as family and to reject the concept of “it’s okay to kill him if he’s in enough pain!”, same as they would never even think of suggesting doing that to a human.
– Frost
My cat suddenly became paralysed last year. What should I have done?
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In some countries it is.
Including the U.S.
The answer OP is looking for is: if you make it easy to kill people in pain you make it easier to kill people who aren’t. This is true for any animal including dogs our law just cares about their lives less.
Countries that have assisted dying do not make it “easy”. Especially when someone isn’t physically ill, they throw every type of therapy and help at them to persuade them not to kill themselves.
Didn’t say they did. Just “easier”
Another answer OP is looking for and probably doesn’t want to hear: most people value human life more than non-human life.
Bad example. In the US it’s super cool to deny care for dollars. Illness and death are built into the system from for profit hospitals to health insurance and pharma pricing.
Edit: Downvote all you like, but Luigi isn’t a folk hero without reason.
Killing people is not the same as letting them die of natural causes.
Capitalist exploitation is a natural cause? That’s a wild take.
Next time, try it without the “Appeal to Nature” / Naturalistic Fallacy.
But technically humans are part of nature!
Lol, how absurd.
And for everything that is not solvable in an ER visit, go and die somewhere out of sight.
You cannot put a person down for being sick. Even in countries where euthanasia is allowed, the person has to ask for it, under formal circumstances following formal rules.
That’s totally besides the point. The reason humans get to say when a pet should be euthanized is just because animals aren’t capable of deciding it and communicating it.
Nope, not when a perfectly healthy happy good dog is put down because the owner find it best, or when an animal shelter put down animals they can’t find homes for, or when a Zoo put down young animals, because their cuteness has been expended, and the zoo doesn’t want more grown animals.
In all these cases there is absolutely no reason to think the animal wants to die. So it is not about communication, it’s because an animal is a thing you can own and do with what you want, as long as it isn’t too cruel.
O.o
So it is allowed.
Oh for fucks sake, it is not allowed to be the decision of others, only the person that wants it, and only under certain circumstances, like being terminally ill and in pain.
Certain circumstances can be “being very, very depressed.” You don’t have to be ill or in physical pain.
True.
It’s actually way worse, because you can have a dog put down that is perfectly healthy, even when other people want to adopt the dog.
If you have a dog you literally own it, and the only regulation that protects the dog are rules against animal cruelty.
You cannot own a human being.Not here in Germany. You won’t find a vet who will kill a healthy animal. Kill shelters are also not a thing. Ditto the UK.
OK then you are more progressed than we are here in Denmark.
But our neighbor did exactly what I wrote, in her defense she was dying of cancer, but we and another family she knew both offered to adopt the dog, the dog was very fond of both of us, my wife walked it daily, and when we visited, the dog would jump on the couch and lie across my lap, which it did for nobody else. But she went ahead and had the dog put down anyway. Perfectly legal as it is done humanely. My wife actually has trauma about the incident, because the vet came to her house, and my wife was there for support, and when my wife found the leash to hold him, he was so filled with joy because he thought they were going for a walk, but it was only to hold him while he was injected.
So here you can have perfectly healthy happy good dogs put down, even when 2 families were ready to adopt it.
Her reason for doing it was that she didn’t want the dog to miss her after she died.
You cannot own a human being.
Anymore. Humans can be amazing and very cruel.
But yes, ask a veterinarian and they will tell you sadly why.
Unless this was a case of USA defaultism, slavery still exists. In fact there’s more slaves today than ever before. 50 million slaves last I checked. Mostly because overall human population has obviously increased drastically too but I digress.
Also USA constitution exempts prisoners so still okay in a limited capacity.
Privatized prisons are slavery too, you’re right.
State-run prisons where labor can be required would also qualify as slavery by any definition.
Depends I guess if you view UNICOR as private or not since it’s government owned. We call them crown corporations in Canada.
Anymore
Exactly, and when you could, it was also allowed to beat them to death, as long as they didn’t die immediately, but it took a day or two. Those are the rules of the bible.
From experience, it was hard to have a healthy dog put down. It was my dad’s dog and my dad had dementia. It was a very aggressive dog and killed other dogs in the pack. I had to keep convincing the vet it was a danger to have. It wasn’t an easy process.
I had to keep convincing the vet it was a danger to have. It wasn’t an easy process.
If it wasn’t your dog, you are not the one to decide, obviously your dad having dementia means he isn’t fit to make the decision. You did well in this case. And I think the doctor was acting according to regulation.
But when you actually are the owner, it’s a very different story, and our neighbor did exactly what I wrote, in her defense she was dying of cancer, but we and another family she knew both offered to adopt the dog, the dog was very fond of both of us, my wife walked it daily, and when we visited, the dog would jump on the couch and lie across my lap, which it did for nobody else. But she went ahead and had the dog put down anyway. Perfectly legal as it is done humanely.
My wife actually has trauma about the incident, because the vet came to her house, and my wife was there for support, and when my wife found the leash to hold him, he was so filled with joy because he thought they were going for a walk, but it was only to hold him while he was injected.So yes you can have perfectly healthy happy good dogs put down, you don’t even have to give a reason. They also do it at rescue shelters all the time.
Society does not value animal lives as much as human lives. You’re free to draw your personal line elsewhere.
My stepfather made use of Oregon’s Death With Dignity law. Him scheduling his death a week out was… weird, but I’m always glad it was an option.
Though at one point a doc did legally have to inform him that instead of the painless and easy medical assisted death he could instead choose to stop eating or drinking.
Because religion.
Huhhh?!
It depends on the state, actually. Some states allow that.
Ibfind it ironic that to put an animal out of it’s misery is called being “humane” though to do it to another person is called “homicide”.
Well it’s the definition of homicide, which is just death caused by another person.
People downvote but don’t read the name of the community the post is coming from.
Humans should be allowed to be put out of their misery as well
Some countries allow it. The major difference is that other people cannot choose for you. Your family can’t “put you down” but you can choose to have a doctor assist.
And shouldn’t need to be terminally ill or old.
If I wanna peace out (humanely) at any age past adulthood, I should be able to.
I agree in theory, but often the desire to end one’s life is often symptom of a treatable disease, or short term situation. Less than 10 percent of people who survive a suicide attempt, latter try again and succeed. There would need to be a lot of safety net in place, just like there is for the terminal.
Honestly I think it could save people. Knowing there is a way out, so to speak, could prevent people from attempts on their own. Not to mention it would prevent traumatizing whoever finds a successful suicide. Needing proof that other treatments are inactive would get even more the help they need.
I can see where you’re potentially coming from.
But I don’t think you comprehend how violent an act of suicide is in almost all cases.
It takes an insane level of commitment to go through with that the first time, more so for the subsequent attempts.
Also of the people who really aim to end it, succeed on the first try.
I don’t know about you, but if given the choice, I probably wouldn’t be here. There’s nothing particularly wrong with me physically, I just don’t want to be here.
Been the case over a decade ago. Pretty much back as long as I can remember. Still the case today.
I do agree with the point that a humane way out will probably have a net positive impact in almost all cases. Especially if it comes with “here’s a list of things you should consider doing to lessen the impact on your family and significant other” or something of the sort. Needless to say, but should be entirely optional.
I don’t think I agree with the “other treatments” mentality though. That just sounds like what the Americans are doing with their abortion clinics trying to emotionally blackmail people into not aborting their child by forcing you to listen to heartbeats and look at ultrasounds.
Because legally, pets are chattel.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/chattelDogs don’t pay taxes or create new parishoners.
One other point that I think no one has mentioned yet is the importance of informed consent when treating people with otherwise fatal conditions. Surgery and other treatments e.g. chemotherapy for cancer incur a lot of pain and suffering in those going through it as well. A person can understand that all that suffering is for the greater good of extending their life, but for a pet that is far from the case, and they may in fact need to suffer more than if they weren’t treated.
I love my dog with my whole heart, but I would never put her through chemo if she had cancer.
