A few questions to any explosives specialists or people that otherwise have any experience with hand grenades.
- we have had a few incidents where low level gang members have been paid to throw hand grenades into people’s homes, supposedly through closed glass windows. How hard or easy is this? Is a hand grenade heavy enough - or has an appropriately sharp shape or the likes - to break the glass?
- if one was hit by one of these attacks and one miraculously notices the grenade landing on one’s floor, is there anything that could be done to minimize physical damage to one’s body? Would, say, a piece of furniture shield one from the shards?
- are the shards or the blast wave/pressure the more dangerous, or both?
2&3. Both pressure and shrapnel are deadly. For pressure, imagine a bubble machine blowing bubbles. You could poke them and they pop. A slight breeze could pop them. This is due to a pressure difference. When an explosive creates a pressure difference, the cells of your body are like the bubbles. They pop. Pressure will have a hard time getting around solid objects. A wall or a chair might be sufficient. Shrapnel will be more difficult. If this is truly a concern, I’d suggest having a “decorative” metal pot. If you could cover the grenade with it, that could potentially nullify its effect. Put as much matter and mass between you and the explosive as possible. If you have nothing available, lay on the ground with your head furthest from the grenade and your feet pointing towards it. Basically you would want to be able to draw a straight line from the grenade through your feet and out your head. Because that’s the direction the shrapnel will take.
Edit: some people in the comments with a fundamental misunderstanding of how weapons work. A grenade is a purpose built weapon that was designed. If you took the explosive out of a grenade, put it in a metal pot with the lid welded on, and detonated, you’d just have a mangled pot. Pots won’t break up into shrapnel it’s gonna look like the T1000 after getting shot with the grenade launcher. And any shrapnel that makes it through, will have its kinetic energy severely reduced.
Downvoted for showing wisdom and speaking truth. Fucking hate social media.
this is just adding more metal to be thrown around
Okay, but what if you had a second larger metal pot to put over the first pot? Like a double paned metal pot, if you will.
Thanks! And, interesting! Wouldn’t the metal bucket/pot do some amplification of the pressure wave on its own by locking it in? Anyway, I imagined having such a pot, but I realized, I cannot know for how long the adversary has been releasing the safety grip and thus how long I have until detonation. It could blow up in my face as I am trying to cover it with the pot. I think I’d go with the second option, to hitting the deck with my head pointing away from the grenade.
While the pot would suffer the brunt of the blast, that’s its purpose in this situation. It also has much more structural integrity than your squishy flesh. If the pot is destroyed, that likely means you are still alive.
A few other thoughts came to mind, something like a weighted blanket or sand bags.
Unfortunately, you’re correct that it would likely be impossible to know how long until it detonates. I don’t have any idea if you can tell that or if possible, how.
Your suggestions aren’t just bad, they’re literally the worst things you can do. Surely you thought about this and found the worst ideas possible, then posted them as a troll. Putting a pot on the grenade puts you in so much more danger. And a weighted blanket?!?!!
“Cover the grenade in more shrapnel” is all you keep saying.
With sufficient reading comprehension you (and the five people upvoting your posting) would have noticed that nobody is claiming a grenade in a pot would be harmless. The claim was about removing the explosive from the grenade and detonating that inside the pot.
While I have no evidence to support that claim I have seen someone putting live ammunition in a pot and making it cook off. That experiment clearly showed that cartridges are only really dangerous when used in a firearm. I expect the physics to be very much the same here.
so your solution to defeating a grenade is to dig explosive out of it?
then your expectations aren’t worth shit, because one is high explosive that does not require confinement to detonate, because reaction zone propagates through supersonic mechanical shock, and the other one is low explosive that has burn rate dependent on pressure, because it burns on surface, which forms foam, which slows down heat transfer, then foam collapses with pressure increase which makes heat transfer faster, but it’s all subsonic. some of the smallest fragments might be stopped by a pot wall, if grenade is in the center, but if it’s close to one wall, then the wall itself would just generate more fragments
but you probably won’t have pot on hand, or realize what is going on in time, and you don’t know how much time is left because of manufacturing tolerances, and you probably don’t have grenade sumps in your living room, so better way would be preventing this situation in the first place, for example using laminated windows or not being a probable mafia target in sweden, if it’s practical. not by trying to cover grenade with a pot, because you just spend more time closer to grenade this way
No, my solution would be to vacate the area post haste. I was just referring to meco03211’s posting in which he wrote
Given your theory that the type of explosive used makes all the difference, I would definitely watch a Mythbusters episode about that (if there was one). 😉
🤣🤣🤣is this how you are in the world too?🤣🤣🤣
go fuck your ignorant self, dude