Fluxer (@fluxer.app)
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We are open-sourcing (AGPLv3) and going live with our mobile app beta on June 15th. This beta is locked to Android users and Plutonium iOS users. We plan a full rollout in 1 month to Google Play, Apple App Store, F-Droid, and Obtanium after we knock out a few more bugs and features.

We are open-sourcing (AGPLv3) and going live with our mobile app beta on June 15th. This beta is locked to Android users and Plutonium iOS users. We plan a full rollout in 1 month to Google Play, Apple App Store, F-Droid, and Obtanium after we knock out a few more bugs and features.

A bit late but I didn’t see anyone else sharing this.

  • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
    12·
    15 days ago

    I am talking about XMPP being almost 3 decades old

    This is not the win you think it is.

    Don’t believe all the disinformation you read online

    I’m not reading anything, I’ve actually used it.

    perhaps you could cite some?

    I already did. Have you not used Discord? Are you just completely oblivious to the popularity the platform has achieved in 1/3 the time that XMPP has been around, and seen massive adoption? Ask yourself why that is.

    In other words, you can’t simply say “XMPP sucks because this unmaintained client is ugly”.

    Uhhhh I absolutely can when all of the clients are ugly and dated. Movim doesn’t even have a client at all, its just a PWA, which is a really poor experience.

    You just come across as someone who doesn’t know much about the subject.

    I don’t, and I shouldn’t need to. Good software doesn’t require vast amounts of research, you just use it. I’ve used 100 different XMPP clients and softwares and they all deliver a poor experience after only a few minutes of use.

    • u_tamtam@programming.dev
      11·
      14 days ago

      I am talking about XMPP being almost 3 decades old

      This is not the win you think it is.

      It is not the win YOU think it is. So far you haven’t been able to cite a single specific issue with the protocol or universal flaws with clients. Get to terms with it: you are spreading FUD. Or make a real, substantiated case that supports your point.

      Movim doesn’t even have a client at all, its just a PWA, which is a really poor experience.

      Can’t wait until you realise discord is essentially the same thing :-) . Yup, it’s a web app. Always has.

      You just come across as someone who doesn’t know much about the subject.

      I don’t, and I shouldn’t need to. Good software doesn’t require vast amounts of research, you just use it.

      People are using WhatsApp by the billions, which is essentially a stripped-down XMPP running on an ancient fork of ejabberd (there are many other examples of widespread use of XMPP: it props up your android notifications, it runs the nintendo switch network, EA/Riot games in-app chats are clients for it, etc).
      But, nobody ever said that you need to research XMPP to use it. Only to have a sensible and articulated commentary in good faith. Which once again you fail at doing.

      • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
        12·
        14 days ago

        So far you haven’t been able to cite a single specific issue with the protocol or universal flaws with clients

        And in not going to. They are numerous. Anyone who has used them knows.

        Can’t wait until you realise discord is essentially the same thing :-) . Yup, it’s a web app. Always has.

        I don’t think you know what a web app is.

        EA/Riot games in-app chats are clients for it, etc).

        Really? So I can message EA users with my MOVIM account? No? Well there’s a problem…

        Only to have a sensible and articulated commentary in good faith. Which once again you fail at doing.

        You can’t just label arguments you don’t like or agree with as “bad faith”. I have no motivation to hate on XMPP or promote Fluxer, other than liking one and disliking the other.

        • u_tamtam@programming.dev
          1·
          13 days ago

          I don’t think you know what a web app is.

          I don’t think YOU do? A web app is an app built with web technologies and running in a browser. Which is also the case of Discord desktop (an electron app, i.e. Chrome).

          Really? So I can message EA users with my MOVIM account? No? Well there’s a problem…

          Again, you don’t seem to understand very much how any of this works. It’s pretty much the equivalent of saying “your devices at home are not using the tcp/ip protocol because I can’t ping your smart tv from the internet”. Actually, they do, but whoever operates the router (the XMPP server in this analogy) chose to make it this way. And yes, there is another way: for most of its history, GTalk was letting you connect to their XMPP server with the client of your choice, and talk to anyone else on the XMPP network besides accounts on @gmail.com. Federation is a built-in capability of the protocol that server admins may enable or not.

          You can’t just label arguments you don’t like or agree with as “bad faith”. I have no motivation to hate on XMPP or promote Fluxer, other than liking one and disliking the other.

          This is the extent of your argumentation:

          • “XMPP is terrible by comparison.” (unsubstantiated)
          • “XMPP is terrible.” (unsubstantiated)
          • “I’ve actually used it.” (irrelevant)
          • “clients are ugly and dated” (unsubstantiated and subjective ; specific to clients not the protocol)
          • (talking about flaws) 'They are numerous. Anyone who has used them knows." (unsubstantiated)

          it’s pretty clear by now that if you had any ability to comment meaningfully on this, you would have done it by now.

          And importantly, my posts are a criticism of Fluxer. All I’m saying is “if you believe that you have the chops to develop a good client for a chat system, and you want it to eventually be self-hostable and federated, save yourself many years of suffering and do it on top of XMPP. Or at least if you don’t, take a good dive through it and come on the other side with a good story as to why your system is so much better. Showing mastery of the problem space will be free advertisement”.

          • artyom@piefed.socialOPEnglish
            1·
            13 days ago

            it’s pretty clear by now that if you had any ability to comment meaningfully on this, you would have done it by now.

            I already have several times. I have no obligation to “substantiate” anything. If you know, you know. If you don’t, that’s fine, I’m not explaining it to you.