• yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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    16 hours ago

    even if they have not accepted that about themselves

    They also may not even know. The whole thing is a political minefield and trying to join in any conversation without knowing all the words tends to trigger a massive overreaction from allies and bigots alike.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      16 hours ago

      I mean it’s why I hate people who self apply the term “ally” because a lot of “allies” do more harm than help.

      Allyship is to be determined by those who need allies, not the people who talk big and claim to be allies while doing fuck-all.

      If someone from a minority community decides I am an ally to their cause and calls me an “ally” then I am an ally, not because I self applied a bullshit label to make myself feel better about cisgender white guilt or something.

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        7 hours ago

        I would argue that one can be a self professed ally and still be an ally, even if you did it wrong.

        Sometimes, just being willing to stand up and say “those people there? Those are my people, and I stand with them” is a powerful thing, even if the person saying it ends up being a fuckwit overall.

        So, even folks that claim alliance to an oppressed group can end up a net positive just by inflating numbers, even when their specific views and actions aren’t well considered otherwise.

        I get where you’re coming from though!