I don’t think you should waste your time with FiniteBanjo. You can find how evil he is when talking about for example the USA deadly sanctions on Cuba like this . Also denying facts about the minab school he tried to spread the lie that it may be the regime that bombed that school
He is as bad as tankies
While there are many good differences that Piefed implements, its heavy-handed use of built-in content blocks is concerning. Arguments have been made that such features are merely a default option that can be changed by other instances, but aside from the dominance of piefed.social, many instance owners are unlikely to change most default settings.
Tbf, a TON of information surrounding that issue turned out to be false. Though at its core you may be correct - and yet the same is also true of Lemmy?
Especially in the past, like when Lemmy at first hard-coded a slur word filter (in English no less), and in response Nutomic told people that… well, read for yourself:
If you dont like it, fork it. Stop bothering us about it, we will never fully remove the slur filter.
(Though they later relented.)
PieFed is not perfectly administered (Rimu admitted this, and stepped back from being the sole leader of the project), and neither is Lemmy. Both are imperfect software tools, both offered as FOSS. Yay - we all win with that philosophy!!
At the end of the day though, if someone is relying upon a free instance service, then it is up to those instance admins to decide their policies, while your only choice is which one you will be beholden to. This too is not different from how Lemmy works, though one difference is in how extremely FAST PieFed develops new features, and also in how responsive the devs are. I don’t blame anyone for choosing not to move, but objectively speaking I don’t see Lemmy passing any purity tests more often than PieFed - especially given how it is way easier to install a personal PieFed instance than a Lemmy one.
As most users (myself included) would rather join an established instance than spin up their own, ultimately I think whichever platform has the least friction for migrating Redditors is best.
Different people might prefer one or the other for different reasons, so as long as both can coexist and hopefully gradually adopt feature parity, the main focus should be growing the Threadiverse as a whole at the expense of Reddit.
Redditors, who are primarily USA Christian centrists, will never join someplace where extremists are constantly calling for Luigi-ing everyone in any Western civilizations.
Try it: make an account on lemmy.ml and use it for a day, and make an account on a PieFed instance and do the same. The feature differences are enormous - as too are those that you do not readily see, such as the fact that moderator reports actually federate on one of those two platforms but not the other (tbf they will eventually in an upcoming release).
You will be pleasantly surprised at the outcome if do this experiment.
I block Lemmy.ml, so I wouldn’t create an account on there anyhow. While I think most new users would be better suited on an instance that defederates from Lemmygrad and Hexbear, the substantial userbase of lemmy.ml makes it better to block it instead so that its users can still interact in non-.ml communities and avoid splintering the Threadiverse needlessly.
In any case, what’s most important is not focusing on what makes Lemmy, Piefed, and Mbin better or worse than each other, but how to make them all collectively better and make every effort to recruit as many new users from Reddit as possible. Most Redditors won’t join, but even 0.01% of them doing so (44,380 users) would double the size of the Threadiverse.
Instead of raging about something you’re powerless to change, why not just block those instances you dislike and never have to worry about them again?
Or, as you said all instances, you could delete your account and touch some grass for a bit.
All of us, at times, need a break from the internet. Even if we don’t realise it yet. Maybe now it’s your time and we’ll see you later, when/if you return?
Because they just want to attack people they don’t agree with, or are mean to democrats and Republicans. Or just point out how much they’re pro killing those deemed enemies by the USA.
Honestly all the Lemmy instances could shut off permanently tomorrow and I would be cool with that. Fuck those tankies on ML.
Regardless of your views about the .ml folk, the vast majority of Lemmy users and instances aren’t .ml
Are you familiar with the phrase “to cut your nose off to spite your face”?
ML is actively maintaining Lemmy. They built it, they own it. It ain’t my fucking face, sorry if you feel so attached to it.
Most Lemmy instances are not pro-tankie.
I don’t think you should waste your time with FiniteBanjo. You can find how evil he is when talking about for example the USA deadly sanctions on Cuba like this . Also denying facts about the minab school he tried to spread the lie that it may be the regime that bombed that school He is as bad as tankies
Careful, pointing out the stuff like that makes you a dirty tankie in their eyes.
Almost all Lemmy instances throw up a seasonal banner begging users to fund tankies like Dessalines and the ML instance.
Because the Lemmy platform is developed by those Tankies and they push it in updates.
Piefed has been around for a while now, there is no longer a good reason to stay on Lemmy.
While there are many good differences that Piefed implements, its heavy-handed use of built-in content blocks is concerning. Arguments have been made that such features are merely a default option that can be changed by other instances, but aside from the dominance of piefed.social, many instance owners are unlikely to change most default settings.
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Tbf, a TON of information surrounding that issue turned out to be false. Though at its core you may be correct - and yet the same is also true of Lemmy?
Especially in the past, like when Lemmy at first hard-coded a slur word filter (in English no less), and in response Nutomic told people that… well, read for yourself:
(Though they later relented.)
PieFed is not perfectly administered (Rimu admitted this, and stepped back from being the sole leader of the project), and neither is Lemmy. Both are imperfect software tools, both offered as FOSS. Yay - we all win with that philosophy!!
At the end of the day though, if someone is relying upon a free instance service, then it is up to those instance admins to decide their policies, while your only choice is which one you will be beholden to. This too is not different from how Lemmy works, though one difference is in how extremely FAST PieFed develops new features, and also in how responsive the devs are. I don’t blame anyone for choosing not to move, but objectively speaking I don’t see Lemmy passing any purity tests more often than PieFed - especially given how it is way easier to install a personal PieFed instance than a Lemmy one.
It wasn’t but sure.
As most users (myself included) would rather join an established instance than spin up their own, ultimately I think whichever platform has the least friction for migrating Redditors is best.
Different people might prefer one or the other for different reasons, so as long as both can coexist and hopefully gradually adopt feature parity, the main focus should be growing the Threadiverse as a whole at the expense of Reddit.
They will never reach feature parity.
Redditors, who are primarily USA Christian centrists, will never join someplace where extremists are constantly calling for Luigi-ing everyone in any Western civilizations.
Try it: make an account on lemmy.ml and use it for a day, and make an account on a PieFed instance and do the same. The feature differences are enormous - as too are those that you do not readily see, such as the fact that moderator reports actually federate on one of those two platforms but not the other (tbf they will eventually in an upcoming release).
You will be pleasantly surprised at the outcome if do this experiment.
I block Lemmy.ml, so I wouldn’t create an account on there anyhow. While I think most new users would be better suited on an instance that defederates from Lemmygrad and Hexbear, the substantial userbase of lemmy.ml makes it better to block it instead so that its users can still interact in non-.ml communities and avoid splintering the Threadiverse needlessly.
In any case, what’s most important is not focusing on what makes Lemmy, Piefed, and Mbin better or worse than each other, but how to make them all collectively better and make every effort to recruit as many new users from Reddit as possible. Most Redditors won’t join, but even 0.01% of them doing so (44,380 users) would double the size of the Threadiverse.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1qm1uq1/lets_settle_the_reddit_alternative_discussion/
TLDR: here is a very long list of things that Lemmy will need to do in order to get people on Reddit to try it. Btw PieFed already does most of them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/16hkxua/why_im_giving_up_on_lemmyfediverse/
Pretty much what I said earlier.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/143o5xd/reconsidering_my_support_for_lemmy/
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/170ie8t/regarding_the_recent_complaints_about_lemmy_being/
https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/16zq1dd/the_lemmyverse_aint_all_its_cracked_up_to_be/
This list could go on all day.
Try not to be too cynical.
Tankies wish us all immediate harm, I will never tolerate them.
From Russia’s war in Ukraine to China helping reelect Donald Trump, they are evil to their core.
Instead of raging about something you’re powerless to change, why not just block those instances you dislike and never have to worry about them again?
Or, as you said all instances, you could delete your account and touch some grass for a bit.
All of us, at times, need a break from the internet. Even if we don’t realise it yet. Maybe now it’s your time and we’ll see you later, when/if you return?
Because they just want to attack people they don’t agree with, or are mean to democrats and Republicans. Or just point out how much they’re pro killing those deemed enemies by the USA.
You’ve already outed yourself as a Tankie, don’t pretend you dont support the GOP now.
EDIT: You’re clearly confused. I am on Piefed not Lemmy.
Oh, we’re far from powerless. The quarantine of the Tankie Triad has been very successful, as will the move to Piefed.
Because people like me speak up, because the instance admins are aware of the problem and willing to make the needed changes.
If I get rounded up and thrown into a concentration camp because of their shit, I’m going to be pissed 😡.
It’s all just one really serious person.