I support Firefox doing whatever Firefox needs to do to keep doing what they do…
I won’t fucking touch it, but I need them to continue to exist so I can use forks of it like waterfox and librewolf
“we’re here as and independent voice”.
Yeah, sure. Tell Donald Trump, Elon Musk and Israel to fuck off, just to test your independence.
We desperately a full new browser. I just want to block ads,AI and tracking with a foss project.
Java blocking also.
Please, Mozilla, explain in detail exactly in which way the internet is changing again, that requires you to return to Faschitter? Please help me make sense of this.
The answer is money
What money? Do they get paid to be on Xitter?
Always has been at Mozilla
Always has been at any company.
Bet
You didn’t state how much you are betting.
Two
Is that a lot?
It’s more than one, but less than 6-7.
Who are you, to be so wise in the ways of counting?
Cutting off Twitter means losing potential audience. It was an ideological stance when they did it, now nothing ideological is left at MozCorp.
Really what real people.are left on twitter?
Nazis, and people okay with sharing space with nazis.
Nazis and also Nazis. So not really people anyone should ever give a fuck about.
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Nazis do not deserve to be catered to or courted as an audience.
I know, it’s a facetious comment meant to put them on the spot for blaming some sort of “change in the internet (again)”.
The fuck you doing Kurt Vinnegut, speaking from fake lemmy profiles. I know it as you, Kurt. Admit your Kilgore trout@ i know your the same person! It just is as it he. Poo te weet! As I say it now. Fuck is time weird. A quake coming. And that’s God’s slapstick; our dumbasses.
To me it seems like they’re really pushing for mass-market appeal right now compared to just maintaining or slowly growing their existing more dedicated/niche base.
You can see it with them adding widgets, a free VPN, more visibly advertising trackers blocked (at least on Android, not sure about iOS), rebranding with a new mascot, and now going back to a platform that still has a ton of user lock-in keeping people there. They’re trying to pull in regular people, I presume so they don’t become as dependent on a base that has more strongly held convictions that Mozilla has to comply with to keep its users.
If it works out for them, it’ll be good for their long-term funding and security, market appeal, etc, but bad for users that care a lot more about fundamental principles.
There’s potential users there, and ff isn’t going to lose any users by rejoining.
Maybe 5 angry Lemmy user.
I just can’t imagine anyone is going to change to chrome because ff started posting to x.
Because those are the only two browsers in existence…
Basically, yes.
… aside from the soft forks.
There are alternative forks.
Not really. The soft forks are more like pre-packaged configurations than separate browsers. If ff dies all the forks die.
I’ve used LibreWolf for years now but I still consider myself to be using firefox.
Brave?
Just kidding 😓
Just lost one now. How many did it gain?
Did you switch to a chrome fork?
librewolf
These soft forks are more like pre-packaged configurations than another browser.
AI?
yes
Sadly plenty of ppl still use Twitter, plenty of companies and celebs still doing their thing there. Why do we have to single out Firefox? It’s not a company that as ideals like most people here do. Yeah their new stuff is definitely shady, but it’s that for Chromium. I’ll still use Firefox, this doesn’t bother me at all, cuz honestly who gives a fuck. I get the optics, but we do not live in a perfect world of morals and ideals. I only have limited energy I can dish out and this affects me 0% so I’ll put that much into it. People are addicted to being angry all the time…
My comment isn’t really about them returning to X. It’s about them blaming it on some type of sudden change in the internet that’s supposedly happening “again”, that’s forcing them to return. Just be honest and say it’s for the reason you mentioned, that they want to reach as many as possible. 👍
The internet is changing how btw? Are they referring to the sloppening?
Pretty sure they are referring to the ens—tification process.
is your comment monetized?
Why even bother using the word if you’re going to self censor?
They even gave you a perfectly good alternative and you corrected it with a self censored word. Do you like how tight your leash feels?
I dunno. But at least I feel acknowledged by the time and effort you put into a response. I’m delighted you took that time for me.
Seriously, examine the why’s of the things you do. If you don’t like cursing, don’t curse. Use different words. Censoring on the behalf of corporate interests immediately makes you the enemy of anyone with half a brain.
I”ll choose my own words. If anyone read it, sounding it out in the reader’s inner voice would provide the intended understanding of what was being communicated. We ain’t writing code here. Ens—tification, enshitification. I understand it either way.
I”ll choose my own words.
But you don’t, clearly, because you’d rather opt for a word chosen for you by your corporate owners. In fact, you tried to correct someone choosing to use a different word than enshitification with your self censored version.
Some people hate being put in a cage, others cheer - you seem like the latter.
You’re really falling for this. I’m happy to be occupying so much of your mind that you feel compelled to respond to every retort. I’m pretty sure you could hide your own Easter eggs. Good luck with everything.
Enshitification*
enshittification*
You both are so pleasant.
To the what?
Another, actively NOT taking a stand. Sigh.
So I guess Firefox holds respect in zero value. There’s no excuse for returning to Twitter.
What if a cartel of cyber bridge trolls kidnap your grandma and the only way to view their riddles is reopening old social media? Is that a good excuse?
Now how does one refer to a tweet in the past tense? Does a tweet ever become a twat?
Firefox could do nothing but provide a standard working browser and be loved, but instead they go out of their way to be hated
They must have CEOs that think you always need to act, when sometimes inaction is the best action
Do they even have a Tee-ball team?
aren’t they living on a google anti-trust payouts? iono. their mozilla.social was a snooze fest
The only way to get ahead in today’s world is to abandon all of your principles. What a shitty set-up.
There’s a debate to be had about not participating in platforms that do bad things vs. reaching people where they are, I suppose.
reaching people where they are.
Aaaand that’s how we got Twitter.
There is no “reaching people.” Twitter is algorithmic. It only shows posts to people who’d find it engaging; in others words, you’re either posting into a black hole, preaching to the choir, or intentionally rage baiting.
The is no point in advocacy there. It gives the illusion of it, but it’s a lie.
Now, if they want to prepend every post with a link to Bluesky/Fediverse?
That’s great.
A siphon off the site is great. They’d probably get deprioritized for it, kinda like how posting Lemmy links seems to get one shadowbanned on Reddit. But participating in Twitter is otherwise just feeding the trolls.
Also reaching the people who most need to be reached.
I still remember this line someone said while complaining about how The Boys was toothless at actually pushing back against hero worship and capitalism.
You don’t have to care, but vou really can’t even if you want to.
i find it ironic how a lot of anti-capitalist shows are owned by Amazon and Apple
Let the people play out their fantasies of justice, equity, and revolution in a totally contained, purely virtual way.
Sell back the answer so people dont look for one themself.
Companies don’t have morals, all they have is just profit. Why are you holding Firefox to some mythical standard? It’s a company, it’s only gotten shadier. Can’t wait when other browsers hit the market in a couple years and Firefox will eventually die. Just a matter of time, they can’t increase their market share for fuck all.
Fucking cowards. So many spineless losers who clutched their pearls after The Salute and pledged to leave. Too many other cowards stayed, so now they go back because “we can’t lose touch with all the cowards”.
It’s just that classic corporate moral grandstanding in another flavor, like companies who are pro-Pride for June but forget queer people exist 11 months of the year, or worse, only have Pride acknowledgement during Democrat presidencies.
Virtually every (large) (for-profit) company’s moral compass is: Get more money.
If fully endorsing Hitler would result in a 1% rise in profits, they’d do it.
Twitter is litterally the easiest platform to stay away from…
Yup, as someone who tried to use Twitter back in the day it’s much harder to use it than to ignore it. Twitter is just shouting your virtue signaling and dog whistles into the void for worthless Kudos. I can do that without even using a computer.
“We’re here for the open internet”
- Mozilla on Nazi social platform
“Greetings fellow Nazis!” Yeah fuck these guys
Oh fuck off Mozilla. You really want to contribute to finance fucking nazis because “That’s where people are”? What a world of spineless losers we have built.
“we’re ok with the Nazi platform…”
