Venezuelans who come to the US tend to be wealthier, in order to be able to get here, and have enough issues with their country in order to leave, issues that they will usually blame on the leadership.
None of this is to say Maduro has majority support, he doesn’t by most accounts, or that they don’t represent a sizable chunk of Venezuelans who don’t like Maduro, but that his support isn’t as non-existent over there as it is here.
It’d be like if Trump took over the US and you only got your views on what Americans think from expat communities in Canada. They would probably cheer his death, even if it was by a foreign empire, but that wouldn’t be representative of average Americans who probably wouldn’t like the foreign intervention, even if they don’t like Trump.
where did i mention papers? ICE is detaining CITIZENS for crying out loud. Support for trump is support for fascism and genocide.
Again, you don’t know Venezuelans with papers, fascism or not.
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amd neither do you. doesn’t change the facts about trump lol.
You guys are arguing different points.
ICE will deport anyone it wants, papers or not.
Venezuelians with papers apparently don’t give a shit if they get deported.
These aren’t mutually exclusive facts.
Thank you. That’s exactly my point. But apparently, non-Venezuelans are ready to tell me, a Venezuelan in his 40s, that I don’t know what I’m talking about.
i’m saying thanks to the power dynamic here (think: “exploitation or stuff HR would frown at…”) - the dynamic existing means the folks cheering in the street cannot be considered truly cheering. it can only be considered, at best, an example of consent being manufactured thanks to that ICE enforced power dynamic. 😬
edit: also, appreciate your reply
And you would be wrong. Those Venezuelans cheering are honestly and extremely happy that Maduro is gone. They were the first ones to leave Venezuela when Chavez came into power. They’re not playing North Koreans in fear lol.
How would you know anyway? How can you back up your claim? Have you spoken to any Venezuelans besides me, but face to face?
https://lemmy.world/post/41205013
right. and i am glad working class people are happy. but that does not take away from the power dynamic that should not exist to begin with and should be abolished anyway.
the point is - we would feel for them more if the US did not behave the way it does. i don’t like or want dictators- Maduro and Trump alike.
the US should NOT try to police the world.
Working class. Lol.
Anyway. You didn’t answer my last question, and you deviated from the topic. So you might either be an armchair warrior, or a bot. You might not, and you may have some vindication if you answer my question.
Lol, “a Venezuelan who was born and raised in Venezuela, lived among all kinds of fellow Venezuelan people, rich poor, decent, criminals, law abiding and opportunistic, selfless and egocentric, saw it fall in the hands of fascism, then moved to the U.S., got a Master’s degree, and had to take a U.S. civics test to become an American citizen, doesn’t know what he’s talking about”.
Sure, man.
it’s a thread on the internet.
Indeed.