No nuance and characters are saying the obvious stuff, because viewers are looking at another device while watching. We’re so cooked.
Having partaken in online discussions about Pluribus (which doesn’t really do this), I can see where they are coming from (although I absolutely do not agree with it).
You go into episode discussion threads and regularly wonder “have we watched the same show?”, because people will just absolutely not know about some absolutely pivotal plot point that happened or explanation that was done.
It’s insane
Tbf, its not just phones. At the end of the day, my mind is cooked. I just want to kick back and get fed entertainment. If I’m awake at the end of it, meh.
Yea, my wife hates watching shows with me 😆
People should try reading more books and watch less TV/streaming precisely for this reason. Also maybe if you want to watch a movie consider watching older movies.
This is a fascinating article/podcast that talks about this but is focused on how it impacts your attention span and has data: https://www.apa.org/news/podcasts/speaking-of-psychology/attention-spans
Mark: So I was very surprised to learn that TV and film shot lengths have decreased over the years. They started out much longer. They now average about four seconds a shot length. That’s on average. If you watch MTV music videos, they’re much shorter. They’re only a couple of seconds. So we’ve become accustomed to seeing very fast shot lengths when we look at TV and film. Even commercials have shortened in length. Commercials used to be much longer. Now it’s not uncommon to see six-second commercials, even shorter than that. Now it’s a chicken and egg question. We don’t know if TV and film have affected our attention spans on computers and phones. We don’t know if our attention spans have affected the decision-making of film editors and directors. We don’t know exactly if there is any causal connection we see these two parallel trends.
It could be the case that directors and editors are influenced by their own short attention spans when they create these film shots or it could be that they’re creating short film shots because they think that’s what the viewer wants to see. But this has become quite ubiquitous. In fact, on YouTube, there’s a particular YouTube aesthetic which uses jump cuts. So when you’re watching a YouTube film, the film becomes very jumpy. The natural pauses that people make when they speak it is removed. So the idea is to pack more content into a shorter amount of time. So we’re seeing short lengths of content from all directions. It’s not just what we’re attending to on computers and phones.
It also applies to games. Play a SNES or PS1 era game and you need to remember, plan ahead, solve problems, map out your path.
Play a modern game and its thirteen icons flashing showing you the exact linear path towards the NPC with the simplest dialogue to solve the simplest quest.
Heard about this a few times now and witnessed it too. I don’t recall which movie it was, since it was forgettable, but the characters felt the need to remind me what was going on in the plot more than four times and I remember actually questioning my sanity. Like, do they think I’m this stupid and can’t follow a simple plot?
That explains the latest season of Wednesday.
You could just treat it like a shitty audiobook. I half-expected characters to start describing their own facial expressions.
Them doing this is what drives people to STOP paying attention.
Yeah there’s stuff I watch as “second screen viewing” but I don’t want that to be the goal… If I’m watching something for the first time and not giving it at least like 80% of my attention it’s not very good.
If I find myself reaching for the phone, I just turn it off
My mom stopped watching “the bold and the beautiful” for this exact reason. She was watching it from almost 40 years straight 😂
When I went to their house for lunch I could hear her shouting “what? Need to explain again the conversation from the beginning?? It literally happened just 5 minutes ago!! Noooooo! Can we just go forward with the plot instead of explaining what happened one minute ago??”
I watch one episode a month but indeed it’s annoyingly repetitive. Not even “second screen” but something like “muted TV in a dentist waiting room with subtitles in another language”
This is how my mom explained me why it is annoying:
Before: ** plot twist happens ** => viewer is shocked
Now:
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for 15-20 episodes before the “plot twist” is supposed to happen, characters insert “if [plot twist] happens it will be very bad for us” in their speeches.
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The bad guy is shown preparing the “plot twist” for another 15-20 episodes
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For another 15-20 episodes the characters still mention randomly in their conversations how bad if the plot twist would happen in their lives and let everyone swear that no, they can never let the plot twist happen.
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Obvious “Plot twist” happens in slow motion over the course of 5 episodes
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Characters talk about how the “plot twist” impacted their lives for 15-20 episodes
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After 30-60 episodes, when characters are gathered at a family reunion on the coach, start reminiscing how the “plot twist” was so shocking and unexpected
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For the next 15 episodes every single person present at that family reunion including some random security guard really needs to retell the “plot twist” from their point of view
That is horrible
I asked my mom to tell me some plot, and I was like “wtf is that”
After 30 years of not giving a single damn about her biological son (Finn), Sheila, a convicted serial killer who escaped prison, suddenly becomes obsessed with seeing him every day.
She shoots both Finn and his wife, Steffy. Finn is pronounced dead and immediately cremated without an autopsy.
Steffy survives, so Sheila disguises herself as a nurse to finish the job in the hospital. She fails for 20 episodes, gets caught, and runs away.
Surprise! Turns out Finn isn’t dead. A “miracle doctor” saved him and forged a death certificate/cremation papers just because.
Sheila gets a genius idea to fake her death and escape prison: chops off her own toe, calls 911 screaming “A BEAR IS ATTACKING ME!”, and disappears. The police find the toe and some bloody clothes. Their professional conclusion? “The bear ate every single part of her except for this one toe with a suspiciously clean surgical cut. Case closed.”
They take over 100 episodes to realize that maybe a bear couldn’t have done a clean cut with the teeth.
The “criminal mastermind,” decides to go to her victim’s favorite restaurant wearing open-toed sandals. Steffy notices the missing toe, calls the cops, and Sheila is arrested.
Everyone spends 100 episodes celebrating that she’s gone forever. Then, a judge vacates the sentence over a clerical error. Multiple murders, prison escape, attempted double homicide? Doesn’t matter. She’s free to go.
Steffy lives in a villa on a cliff where people have a habit of dying by “accidentally” falling down the cliff diving fights. Sheila stalks her for hundreds of episodes until they fight and Sheila falls off the cliff. Again: no autopsy, immediate cremation.
Just as everyone is celebrating, someone remembers the body they just cremated had ten toes. But oops, too late, she’s already ash.
Imagine all of this stretched out over hundreds of episodes with 80% filler and characters repeating the same three sentences every day.
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They dumb down their shows because I’m on the phone and I’m on the phone because their shows are so dumb that I get bored.
Soon they will reinvent the radio drama, but on TV with a story board or something.
I know it’s not Netflix but the last Mission Impossible movies have made the characters so bewilderingly stupid it actually makes the dumb action set pieces harder to watch.
Like, I get it, it’s mission impossible it’s not the height of cinema but in the past, characters were somewhat intelligent and made rational decisions based on what they knew. Like, not just Ethan and crew but the villains all seemed like they knew what they were doing, what they wanted, and it was clear why things were important.
The latest pair of movies dropped that ball so hard I just can’t fathom how it made it out of the writing room.
The last two movies are pure ass. Who is the bad guy? So AI or something?? I’ve already forgotten it was dumb as hell.
There are dumb fun movies, and then there are just dumb movies.
The “Entity” which is a rogue AI that seemingly knows everything everywhere. And Benji is afraid to answer the most basic fucking personal questions when a nuclear bomb is threatening to detonate. Like, he’s never been good under pressure but Jesus man.
This nuke is also threatening to destroy both halves of the mcguffin that the AI also needs. It just makes no fucking sense.
Actually I wonder if an AI wrote the script. That actually would explain quite a bit.
That movies are just excuses for Tom cruise to try the dangerous stunts
Seems like they should just make a movie that is only him doing dangerous stunts.
“Hi, I’m Tom Cruise, welcome to Jackass”
I would simply stop watching Netflix.
I’m pretty sure this is why andor flew under the radar/gets mixed reviews. Even with friends who are huge Star wars nerds like me, I get ‘but it’s boring!’ a lot, mostly because it builds up to the climax in each three-episode arc. There isn’t necessarily a huge, inexplicable ‘OK time for action’ scene in every episode just because. To enjoy it you need to be plugged in, absorbing the dialogue and connecting the dots scene to scene to understand how the plot got to the action and why it’s important, and if you do you understand the tension buildup. Otherwise it just seems like two episodes of babbling and then some stuff happens, while you’re still staring at your phone. At no point do any of the characters stop and explain what’s happening before or during an important scene, it’s all show-don’t-tell. One of my best friends is working on his PhD, super bright guy, huge Star wars nerd. Has all the baby yoda this, clone trooper helmet that. I finally understood when we were watching something on stream once and I’m like “what’s that? That noise?” It was his other screen on in the background watching a Twitch stream :( now I understand he’s never not had a second screen going with a stream lmao feel like I’m taking crazy pills. We might as well pipe video of that stupid railway running coin grabber mobile game directly to the cortex of every citizen atp
As I’ve gotten older. I have completely stopped using the phrase “To enjoy [] you need to []”.
It’s pointless
Anyone who needs to do it isn’t going to, and everyone who is going to do it - will do it anyways.
Andor may also simply be a bad show, and this person’s opinion an outlier.
Best use of the IP in decades. I don’t hate the other stuff but Andor knocked my socks off.
Is that your opinion? Or just devils advocate? I loved andor, I don’t go looking for reviews or what people say about media I watch, but, I would agree with the person above, I thought it was one of the best things that has come out of Star Wars. At least it treats you like an adult.
Didn’t realize people didn’t like it, but, of course, I don’t like things other people like.
Yep. There are many shows now where characters keep repeating what just happened. Great for ADHD GF, annoying for me when I’m actually trying to just do one thing at once.
We’ve done this in TV for close to a century now. You see this whenever streaming an old show for commercial breaks.
It is most apparent in season 1 of One Piece
I remember this being how Bill Nye the Science Guy’s show went. Some things were repeated a lot per episode, which made the show a little annoying to me. But, I guess frequent repetition makes sense when your audience is kids.
Or that thing where a character references something that was said/happened 10 minutes ago and they do a flashback to show that it happened.
Idiocracy is slowly becoming a documentary
Real life: Idiocracy, but worse.
Yeah I think it’s worse. In Idiocracy they’re dumb, but they do eventually listen when told what they’re doing is wrong, and take steps to amend it. We… do not tend to do that lol
And we need a real-life Joe Bauers/Not Sure and Rita to help fight this.
You don’t have to watch Netflix. Plenty of good movies out there!
Until Netflix buy up all the studios and then there’s not.
The enshitification of thought.
Proving that the Netflix execs don’t have the foggiest fucking idea what they’re doing.
You gain viewers by engaging them - by giving them something so interesting that they can’t be distracted.
If you dumb everything down, the most likely outcome is that rather than looking at their phones in addition to your show, they look at their phones instead of your show.
As long as the people are still subscribing, it doesn’t matter.
Have a 19 year old that cant watch an Instagram clip to completion. Im not sure if Netflix needs to adapt or correct the behavior? Unless I’m on a flight, I never watch a movie on my phone.
Not really. It actually makes sense. I often look for easy movies to watch while I do dishes. I wouldn’t ever sit down to watch them, and I wouldn’t want to watch good movies while doing dishes because I can’t get immersed.
I mean… have you met people? We’re all collectively getting dumber by the hour. So I guess it makes sense to chase that moving target.
And that was back in what… 2003? 23 more years to marinate
The other half of this proof is them being practically the only streaming service with binge/bulk releases instead of weekly. Ifs very likely this way because they’re too stupid to gauge a show’s success by any other metric than how much people watch in a short time.
Welk, that validation of many people’s suspicions about Netflix shows. Stranger Things’ last episode was particularly harrowing…
World’s ending, every second counts!
*monologues for 5 min about the importance of friendship
Ohh they defeated the thing, that was pretty cool. Wait, how is there an hour left? There’s gonna be more crazy action, right? … right?
< flash back to a year prior with writers sitting around a table >
So, we want to go out with a bang, The final episode needs to be a full 2 hours … and change. Now the bad news, our SFX budget is only greenlit for half of what we asked for. We need ideas, and … Go!
Man, the scene between Mike and El, fuck, that shit flies when they are kids, they are adults now, that wouldn’t even fly in a soap opera. It was so bad it gave me “oh hi Marc” vibes.
Ok. I’m not going to watch it can I have a tl:dw?
It actually happened quite a lot in the last couple ep’s
They’re writing them as if they’re still 12.
Steve: re’re gonna need some weapons, * picks up a handgun *, Dustin: I have a better idea! tapes a knife to a stick and shoves some nails through a trash can lid, as they run off to prepare to fight a kaiju.
Mike to Nancy: I’m gonna need one of those guns. gives him a flare gun
spoiler
In El’s last reliable scene (there are future scenes that might be postulation), she draws Mike into a psychic construct to tell him she needs him to make the others understand her decision. backstory: They’re imploding the upside down, which is a wormhole to an alien planet, and she intends on staying behind to be killed by it so they military can’t find her and restart the project again (which they’ve done multiple times now)
EL: None of this will ever end, not if I’m still here.
Mike: No, No, we’ll figure something out, we’ll fight back, we always do.
El: I need you to talk to the others.
Mike No. No.
El: I need you to thank them for me (breaking crying) For being so kind to me. And teaching me what it means to be a friend.
Mike: No, please don’t do this, please don’t do this
El: Mike, I need you to help them understand my choice
Mike: But I don’t, I don’t understand
El: I know. But you will, one day you will. You understand me. Better than anyone. (breaking crying) you always have. From the day we met.
(break to every touching El: scene montage since season 1 playing Prince’s Purple Rain)
(break to the current scene, where, in slow motion, they all, while being restrained by the military, watch her get sucked into the vortex that undoes the upside-down)
For the next 30 minutes of airtime (18 months later), they follow up on every life decision for the entire cast.
At the end of all that, Mike, running the end of their shared D&D campaign, gives an alternate take on the last moments of “the mage” that parallels the real-life experience they saw, but paints it as she escaped, and provides a plan with some ‘evidence’ and details how it happened, followed up by cutscenes of her living on—setting up for possible spinoffs.
Same level writing as in other show when they went: +“And let people decide their leaders? *erupt in laughter”
