I asked him “what color were the clouds back then?” and he said they were white. I asked him what happens if I take an orange light and light up something that’s white with it. He ignored me. He went on about how everyone in his age group remembers the Sun being orange, and by me questioning him, I’m calling him and all his peers liars and I’m stupid because I’m younger than him and vaccinated.

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    That person has probably been using ChatGPT. Either that or this post is itself LLM-generated. One or the other.

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    This person is either at least mildly psychotic or fucking with you. It’s wild that people are down here in the comments offering evidence when the entire concept is entirely absurd. This isn’t an age or intelligence or experience thing this is a “this person is unhinged, don’t interact” situation.

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      Science went from researching medicine and technology, to desperately trying to disprove all the shit dumb people posted on Facebook, like that the earth is flat etc.

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      Or maybe location dependent - we have significantly reduced air pollution in most places. I can easily imagine places with chronic haze that are no longer so

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    That’s not a friend. Friendship is between approximate equals and requires respect and trust. He does not trust or respect you. He looks down on you for your age and ignores your valid arguments because of it. If you have any choice in the matter, get away from this person and find people who, even if they disagree, will do so from a place of reason and respect. Do not be fooled into thinking someone is a ‘friend’ just because you interact with them regularly.

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    Your friend has fallen down a far-right conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Sorry for your loss.

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      not even necessarily far-right, i jnow plenty of leftists/liberals that are dumb as fuck and believe in horoscopes and other stupid shit like that

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        Down votes are funny here. You are 100% correct, Idiots exist on all polical compass points.

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          That’s like saying heat exists everywhere in the solar system. Yes, it’s true, but it paints a mildly inaccurate picture.

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            Not sure where the inaccuracy is. I lean left politically but I see just as many idiots on this side as the other side. Think about raw milk, vaccines, etc. The whack jobs were more on the left than right though there were both.

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    While the conclusion of it being replaced with an LED is obviously not what happened, I think it’s very possible that the sun was often orange for him when he was growing up, because of air pollution.

    30 years ago, depending on where you lived, there were more cars on the road with less efficient fuel consumption, more people using fireplaces, more people burning trash, less regulation of various industries etc. Searching for images with the phrase “smoke pollution sun” will give you a lot of photos of orange suns, and they’re definitely not all altered for effect. I’ve seen red suns in real life too when wildfires are really bad near my area even though that’s thankfully rare.

    We know not the sun itself that is orange, but in a polluted environment it certainly looks like it is - and if you don’t get a great education, I can see how you might think that’s the actual color of the sun.

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      I’ve never considered the colour of the sun. I’m going to get my telescope out and have a look later today!

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      30+ years ago skies used to be silver in cities from smog. Going across the mountains into Los Angeles could be like going to a different planet.

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      I mean same for photography, tv, film and even artistic renderings. They probably consumed a lot of media and can draw parallels and contrasts just from those.

      This makes some sense. Clearly the friend is a bit of a conspiracy theorist, or trolling. There’s a decent chance they are younger too. That being said you’re the only person with a reasonable feasible explanation that might get through to the friend.

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    But the sun is hot. You can feel the heat radiating from it.

    LEDs are not hot - that’s pretty much the main reason that they’re energy efficient, they don’t waste energy as heat.

    It’s not suddenly gotten colder, so if they did switch to LEDs, then they’re also artificially compensating for the heat. Which would completely defeat the purpose of switching (presumably from an incandescent bulb) to LEDs.

    Also, I’m super intrigued about who is supposedly behind this sun-bulb maintenance, and more interestingly, what could possibly be powering it

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      LEDs are not hot

      Someones never accidentally touched an LED array.

      I can guarantee you an LED array as big as the sun would generate enormous amounts of heat.and would need massive amounts of cooling.

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        LED chips can’t get above 150 °C or they fail. So high-power LED lights need appropriate cooling. And the heatsink is big and thermally conductive, making it feel hotter to the touch than it is (it delivers more heat to your finger over time). Meanwhile, the glass of some bulbs can exceed 300 °C but cools down to safe levels in a minute (or less if you touch it with something) because it’s thin.

        Also, 150 °C (420 K) objects do radiate heat as black-body radiation but not that much, also it’s far-IR so only detectable with thermal cameras. Meanwhile, a light bulb’s filament is 2700 K (3000 K in halogen ones) and the Sun’s surface is 6000 K, and both produce copious amounts of near-IR light that largely contributes to the heat felt on one’s skin when illuminated (although the visible light does too).

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        That’s fair - my experience with handling them basically stops at individual LEDs in electronics and domestic LED lightbulbs.

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        Have you touched strong incandescent lights?

        Sure LED arrays are hot, but cooler than old lights

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    Typical. You react with a realistic response to his nonsense, so he attacks your character and your intelligence. You must be stupid for not buying into his super dumb idea.

    I’ll bet he’s a flat-earther, too, and you’re an idiot for not being able to understand how obvious it is.

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    I’m going to take a different stance to a lot of the posters here.

    Your friend may be showing signs of undiagnosed mental illness.

    If you value him, listen to him and confront him when he has broken away from reality. But don’t argue with him. Be firm in your disagreements but don’t argue.

    Be supportive of him if you can. Make sure he has a support network (parents siblings others)

    Sometimes mental illness does not manifest until early adulthood.

    Know your limits. Care for yourself.

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    but got replaced with a white LED.

    time to find a new friend.

    there’s no point when someone believes that. move on.

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    Yes. If the sun was orange, the light would be orange, and everything white would be orange.

    The fact that your friend believes the sun was replaced by a giant LED is a sign they should not be your friend anymore

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        No. I know people like this irl.

        Not the exact belief, but insane nonetheless. Usually they get all their news from fb and xitter. And theyre always smarter than scientists despite not finishing hs or college (not that one needs to do those things to be smart, but just saying as a rule…)

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          No, there’s actual people like that. The guy I mentioned in my comment came into work one day, claiming that the moon makes its own light. I once asked him if he had heard of the Stargate series. He paused, looked me dead in the eye, and said, super seriously, “yes and Stargates are real.”

          There are people that honestly believe this shit. The only thing is now they have the internet to convince each other that it’s all real.

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            Well they are real, they used them in the series.

            They don’t make you teleport though, that’s just special effects.

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            Has he written his congresspeople about the need to increase defense spending because of the threat of the Goa’uld?

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            The nature of reality is such that you can believe a very silly thing and have it impact your life in no meaningful way. People have been wrong about the nature of the universe for millennia and continued to get by. The oddball who believes in native moonlight and stargates isn’t going to benefit tangibly for being correct or suffer tangibly for his misbelief. In many cases - thanks to the proliferation of internet subcommunity echo-chambers - they may actually suffer (socially) for reconciling their beliefs with reality if they can’t bring their friends along for the ride.

            But, again, when they have extremely limited influence over their surroundings (this guy is not, presumably, running an astronomy lab or charged with funding improvements to municipal mass transit) their zany beliefs don’t really matter. Correctness doesn’t benefit them and incorrectness is more fun.

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            Ok but hear me out. I get laughed at for this, but I do think the moon is pretty hollow. The Apollo astronauts are on record saying it rang like a bell when they landed on it.

            I dont think its that crazy that the moon is very cavernous and hollow compared to earth. Now, aliens dont live inside it I dont think, but thats another theory haha!

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              I actually like this example. All too often we hear a kernel of truth, “the moon rang like a bell”, without context or explanation and can just apply logic that that seems reasonable with things we understand without questioning the result

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              it wasn’t a “landing” they crashed their lander into the moon to measure seismic data. They basically did an orbital strike with a bus. It vibrated for a long time because there isn’t much to dampen the vibration when most of the surface is hard rock with no moisture.

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      It’s likely this isn’t the only conspiracy theory he believes in. Time for you to find better friends,.

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      They didn’t replace the sun that would be impossible

      They replaced the sky which obviously uses LED imagine trying to run a panel of halogens that big