edit: I really want to clarify, I am not upset that people are angry about Epstein. I am not complaining that Americans want more transparency, that they want those involved to be punished for their actions. I am not unhappy that people want to raise more awareness towards the issue of the rich evading the law. I am certainly not trying to argue for the protection of those involved, nor am I trying to make a case for them/“playing devil’s advocate”. I am simply asking the question of why it is brought up so often in off-topic discussion. Why are people interpreting Trump yelling about annexing Canada as “diverting attention from the Epstein files”? Why are his threats towards Greenland and the Panama Canal called similar?
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Everybody can accept that what he and his billionaire friends are horrible people who did horrible things to minors. The implication that so many high-ranking politicians from all over the world is associated with it is very bad indeed. But why do so many Americans seem to be so obsessed with Epstein and his “files”?
It seems like whatever discussion there is, there’s always someone going on about “releasing the files” when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And when anything is vaguely about America and its politics (e.g. kidnapping of Maduro), many will claim that it’s because they want to “distract the public from Epstein” or similar, feel good about themselves, and move on without contributing anything to the discussion like some sort of conspiracy theorist who tries to win arguments by saying it’s a conspiracy by the CIA/aliens/lizard people/etc. (side note: who actually believes in lizard people? Is this a joke or do people actually believe in those?) Not everything is about egg head island.
The involvement of so many powerful and rich people is quite bad indeed, and the coverup (suicide and maybe-murder of the guy, the hidden and almost mythical “files” that, even when released, are super redacted, the denial, etc) is concerning too. It is normal to seek out punishment for those involved, to press for more transparency around it, etc., that I can agree with, but it is not normal to justify all the war, conflict, and incitations of invasion that America is doing now, will do later, and has done in the past because of this.
because the current administration is made of bullies spewing bullshit. One of the things they kept talking about were the epstein files, and how they were going to finish off the democrats, and if they got voted in , they would release them. they turned them into a talking point.
If you call them out for being hypocrites on things that they will lie about, like the economy or health or whatever, they will use group consensus and lies to bullshit their way out of it. However, since they demonised anyone related to epstein, and how one of their cornerstone policies was releasing the epstein files, they can’t do that about the epstein files, so it’s useful to beat them over the head with, since trump was in extremely deep with epstein (into people they shouldn’t have been fucking)
Yes. It is about holding people accountable and punishing them for their crimes. If they can get away crimes, then what is the point of courts of law or even a justice system? Might as well, throw those in the bin.
I understand that these people should, of course, be held accountable and shouldn’t just run free after doing all that horrible stuff on his island. What I don’t really get is why it is so often brought up in off-topic discussion. I get that people want to spread awareness and all that, but screaming “release the files!” on internet posts doesn’t really help.
I empathize with your off-topic comments, but I think it has much to do with the context of information today. Trump himself is trying to drive any comments of Epstein away by distraction and events. This is one paper on the topic. So many people are throwing the references in as an eye to defiance, anger, frustration, and as part of a trend. If the idiocy in charge wants to distract us, then more than ever we need to stay focused on why he wants to distract us.
That being said, it does have unintended consequences and is not necessarily the best way to handle this. However this new generation hasn’t really had a civil rights, suffrage, British tea party, or even just Arab Spring event to use as a baseline to make change in this entirely digital world now. People are still trying to figure out how to push, have a phone that causes attention distraction, live pay check to pay check, etc. Which is to say organization and protesting is still figuring itself out, so you get ‘release the files’ as a call to arms everywhere.
I understand that these people should, of course, be held accountable
Right, so who? And with what evidence?
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Oh yeah, that info is (probably) in the Epstein Files.
Because our current President was best friends with Epstein and a third of the population believes he has nothing to do with it, or would rather the files go away so they don’t have to deal the rest of us saying we told you so!
We’re literally trying to talk ourselves into whether or not we should punish these people.
Oh laws? Yeah, that’s just for us poors.
All too often that happens to be true.
Because if you look at any local news anywhere, poor people are being jailed for decades for merely looking at CSAM. And I’m not saying that shouldn’t be illegal. But we have proof the rich and powerful are actually doing the things in those photos and videos. It’s shocking, and it’s still shocking, that they’re getting away with it. And that people are still supporting them.
That should bother anyone regardless of what country you’re from.
Fair enough, everyone should be upset that the uber-rich can evade the law as they are now. Yes, they are horrible people. That I can understand.
What I don’t understand is why many people (not all people, but some certainly) bring it up in off-topic internet discussions.
Oh, the off-topic “release the Trump-Epstein files” memes (or tongue-in-cheek references to them)?
I guess it’s to remind those at the top that we still haven’t forgotten.
Like the whole post-9/11 thing, “we will never forget.” Except a bunch of similar things happened around the world, Hollywood started cashing in on 9/11, and bringing it up while worse shit was going on kinda faded, but the “pride” of remembering 9/11 stuck around for about a decade. These things have a long shelf life.
IMO it’s because they are pissed off. And the longer it takes for justice, the more pissed off they get.
Couple that with Congress ordering the release of all the documents, then the justice department dragging its feet. Everything the us government does that isn’t just releasing the docs is seen as a distraction. Delay until people forget or stop caring, so to counter that people refuse to stop talking about the files, to keep them in the conversation.
This wouldn’t be a stupid question if you didn’t keep answering it over and over.
Why are Americans so hung up on Epstein and his egg head island and “the files”?
Because they could not have them (for some time).
When you are a bratty child and you want something and you cannot have it…
