Congrats, you get fascist rigtoids then 🤷♂️
The lack of context… also were you talking about China by any chance ?
You not posting this in context makes you super untrustworthy in my book.
Dictatorship is by nature untrustworthy, so which one do you pick: trustworthiness or dictatorship?
You think Linus Torvalds is untrustworthy?
You clearly don’t understand dictatorship.
You’re just missing context.
Impress me: create a context where you want your own rights taken away. 3, 2, 1, Go!: ___________________________.
Linus Torvalds is a BDFL. dictator can have many meanings: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dictator
Not all different meanings have to do with ‘me having my rights taken away’
.ml deleted yet another comment I made on a normal news article pretty much saying something similar about authoritarians. And the mod had the balls to chastise me after deleting my comment and butwhatabout-ing “American imperialism” or some BS.
I would have never even commented had I realized it was .ml. What a bullshit place that is, their private little Pravda and Memory Hole.
Its a CCP propaganda machine.
Normally when people refer to “.ml” they mean the dev instance, lemmy.ml, not lemmigrad.ml.
I’m not commenting on the substance of your post, just pointing out the mismatch.
lemmy.ml is just lemmygrad.ml wearing a mask - badly.
Grad is definitely worse than ml, but enough people on ml are tankies (including the devs) that it’s easy to group both together.
They are both pretty extreme.
You’d probably also get downvoted IRL for saying this out loud south of the mason-dixon line, too
Genocide is bad, wether it’s the Holocaust or the Very Real White Genocide in South Africa. If you have a problem with this statement, it’s because you think genocide is good.
Shit, there is a white genocide in South Africa ? like right now ?
They’re making a joke by using a logical fallacy known as a false premise.
It’s so real, definitely happening. Trump even said so.
(If English isn’t your first language, they’re mocking OP’s implication that because people downvote <moronic comparison>, that means they love <bad thing>)
If anything Trump saying so is making me trust the statement less, but I’ll look it up. Thanks for the clarification
Ooohhhh no wait, you were being sarcastic. I’m lost now
Lets follow the pattern of OP that Shinkan is mocking: “I don’t like eating puppies, whether it’s done by nazis OR users named Hadriscus”
You would downvote this, because you understand he is implying you, Hadriscus, like eating puppies, and also comparing you with nazis.
He is then coming here to say “Hey, look, Hadriscus downvoted me! That means he is pro-eating puppies.”
Your screenshot says “memes@lemmygrad.ml”, not “lemmy.ml”.
A lot of nonsense apologia in these comments. Motivated reasoning and carefully cherry-picked sources. A fixation on the long history of western imperialist propaganda. Edgy contrarianism, ultimately.
What you won’t see much of:
Direct and lengthy criticism of China (the kind that isn’t just damage control)
Citations from respectable research journals
Admissions that Marxist / socialist / etc nations have their own propaganda machines
Teens and Chinese agents, it is late, go to bed, you’ve got TikTok tomorrow.
You clearly have never seen the direct and lengthy criticisms of China produced on lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml. We debate over this all the time.
Direct and lengthy criticism of China
Lol you’ll find much more meaningful criticism that isn’t just jerking off over an imaginary cartoonishly-evil-for-the-sake-of-being-evil version of China that exists in lib spaces, because they can engage with the China that actually exists.
Don’t do the mistake I did posting a meme, don’t even bother going in this instance, don’t bother at all.
Blocking an entire instance seemed extreme at first, but with the level of crazy in .ml I finally just ripped off that bandaid and did it. It remains the only one.
The fediverse has been a much better experience ever since!
But think of all the downsides!
I started with the yiff ones but you do you. My block list is pretty extensive.
Those are communities, and yeah those were quick to be blocked for me as well. I’m talking about entire instances, which to my knowledge there aren’t any yiff ones - so far .ml is the only one that’s been so consistently bad that it’s actually worth throwing any trace of the baby out with the bath water.
Are yiff.it or yiffit.net not instances anymore? Maybe I’ve been here longer than I thought.
I haven’t run into those - might not be federated with solarpunk. Definitely sound like good candidates for the chopping block though.
The only difference between a tankie and a fascist is the name they give themselves.
You’ll scare the racist imperialists with that kind of density. One image of Country Joe waggling his fingers is enough as it is!
They should be scared, the american century of humiliation is nigh
You best start believing in the Epstein Empire’s century of humiliation, Miss Turner
You’re in one.
Don’t you think the racism of one of them has a bit more of a consequence than of the other?
I completely agree.
And now, when writing this… Argh. Uyghurs. You absolutely cannot compare it to what Nazis did, but if you compare it to what other fascist countries died then yes, that’s quite some consequence.
I still would not write an equal sign between fascists and tankies, though.
In the end, tankie is a type of a socialist, and one becomes socialist through a will to do good. Being a tankie is some EXTREMELY fucking ill-advised way to do good, because the result is indeed very very bad. But you don’t really become a fascist in order to do good. You become a fascist because you think you are worth more than others.
I think being a tankie is about the goal being more important than the means – all the way to an extent where the means completely obliterate the goal. And being a fascist is about deciding that being limitlessly selfish is okay. One is at least trying to have a good goal. The other one is just… “Everything for ME and MY TRIBE, all others should DIE!” But in the end, what’s being done to Uyghurs is just horror. Being thrown into a concentration camp and being subjected to various inhumane experiments is already on a very high level of evil to have to experience.
The vast majority of muslim nations on earth got together to send delegates to investigate in person and they declared the accusations to be baseless.
My experiences with Uyghurs differ from yours. I was backpacking in Kazakstan and China and the repression was easy to notice with bare eyes. The Uyghurs wouldn’t be that scared of a 7-year-old Han-girl if there was no repression.
How was your visit to East Türkestan?
Oh, and Uyghurs are not Arabs, BTW! They are a Turkic nation.
Listen, FUCK the IAEA you could see those Iraqi chemical weapons factories with your bare eyes
Where did I get this red fish from?? Got an answer for that??
Your experiences are worthless, try shutting the fuck up and listening
Well, your source is shit.
And so is the video linked. You can also use your own logic to notice its fallacies. You don’t get just anyone invited to a soccer match. It’s an important situation for propaganda, so you only allow people there who know what truth to say if anyone asks. And what kind of face to show. Ones that know what will happen to them and their relatives if they fall off the line.
I don’t know why you believe the “dude trust me” guy on the video. Nor why I should trust you, dude.
I didn’t post a link to any videos dumbass, my source is the verifiable fact that the majority of muslim nations on earth investigated in person and are calling bullshit on us. They have far more credibility than the US and our lackeys and our media, there is no actual evidence to contradict their findings, it’s the same sort of atrocity propaganda we used to justify invading Iraq & Afghanistan.
State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China | Colum Lynch, Foreign Policy. (2021)
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, “The review did not substantiate the allegations.” (See: World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China)
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter (A/HRC/41/G/17) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang.
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:
- Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat’s delegation upon invitation from the People’s Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People’s Republic of China.
Books, Articles, or Essays:
- Egyptian media delegates provide a detailed insight of the situation in Xinjiang | (2019)
- The Xinjiang Atrocity Propaganda Blitz | Nia Frome (2021)
- Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation | Qiao Collective (2021)
- Xinjiang: Understanding Complexity, Building Peace | International Diplomatic Institute (2021)
- Fight against Terrorism and Extremism in Xinjiang: Truth and Facts | Information Office of the People’s Government of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (2022)
Yes, because China is well known to assasinate diplomats and family members of political opponents in dozens of countries around the world…
i recommend this recent video by Eric Hovagim to learn more about the Uyghur topic (but i guess you’ll probably skip it based on its title?)
Who has time for videos? Reading is much faster.
(I generally skip all video links, nothing personal)
I did watch the first three minutes. Everything he shows is true, everything he explains as interpretation is just full of shit.
“Why?”
Well, for the same reason Soviet Union was doing the same to its colonies. Or why France was doing the same to its.Blargh, the guy’s eaten the hook with bait and floater.
Well, for the same reason Soviet Union was doing the same to its colonies. Or why France was doing the same to its.
Ok, can you tell the reason why? What is the thing that China wants that can only be achieved by mass murder and genocide of its working population?
I don’t think there’s anything that can only be achieved by that.
But generally in China the CCP is who decides about everything that happens in the country. Being religious is one of the things that are against the official template of how a person should be. Any religion is a problem, but a nation as religious as Uyghurs is considered a problem.
And of course: Just look at the clocks. Any clock in the Uyghur areas is showing the local time, not Beijing time. Only clocks at railway stations, police stations and such show the Beijing time. The people there are far too independent for Beijing’s liking. Or yours.
That was quite informative, thanks for sharing!
This would assume the tankie-fascist isn’t also racist
“Let us assume that my political opponent is a racist because it makes my job easier” lol fuck off clown
Why? The way I phrased it, racism was included for both sides.
I guess I missed that. My mistake.
Because your ignorance doesn’t understand a dictatorship of the proletariat under communism isn’t the same as a dictatorship under fascism
Of course it’s not the same:
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One has staged elections for jackboots controlled by a party with a funky cross on their flag. Any political dissent gets you sent to a work camp.
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The other has staged elections for apparatchiks controlled by a party with work tools on their flag. Any political dissent gets you sent to a re-education farm.
Couldn’t be more different.
For some people, Mr. Goebbels and Ms. Luxemburg really are indistinguishable.
Those people would be the enlightened centrists
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