Yeah? It wouldn’t be as flashy looking but it would be far more secure and far less system-heavy.
Would also be great if our browsers didn’t report every little detail about our PC too…
Time to go back to BBSing.
It wouldn’t be as flashy looking
What, why not?
The internet has run for literally decades without JS.
There was a web prior to JavaScript.
Totally.
You can even do a lot of the fancy stuff. HTML forms have been there since the beginning and don’t require JS at all. You can do logins, logouts, forms, basically anything as long as it doesn’t involve changing the contents of a page without a page load (aside from animations which you can do in CSS).
You could even make a Lemmy type thing that didn’t use JS at all, just submitted a form when you hit post, and then the server would take care of the rest! (I’m a little surprised to see Lemmy does seem to require JS for posting, actually.)
– Frost
Hello Frost, struggling my way with the Linux commands.
Hm? *headtilt*
Linux commands to do what?
Actually l wish to learn working on Linux, as it gives me the power to create an entire universe. And for this, l need to master the command line, right ??
I’m… a bit confused. Create an entire universe?
I mean, I guess if you mean game dev or something, yeah… you can do that on Windows too though of course (Mac is iffy these days)
also you don’t need to learn the command line if you just want to use Linux like you use Windows. It is super handy for some stuff, though (batch moving files around, anything system administration related, automating tedium, basically anything where “telling the computer what to do” sounds like a useful way to solve your problem).
– Frost
So l can actually use Linux the same way l use windows ? I mean no knowledge of the command line needed ?
It depends on what you’re trying to do on your computer. No command line is needed for web surfing, checking emails, writing office documents, playing games, watching videos… It’s not too dissimilar to Windows in that regard. Windows also has the command line and the power shell. You can use it if you like, but you don’t have to. There’s other tasks for which you need it, though. For example fixing your computer might involve the command line. Or software development.
No. Every time we try, the universe resets itself and then spawns twelve more JS frameworks. A few universes ago,
npmdidn’t even exist. Now look at us.The only truly universal law
Define “possible”
- yes,we had an internet before JavaScript, and most of what they claim needs JavaScript doesn’t. Many things would be better for users without JavaScript
- no, when I turn off scripting, at least half the www doesn’t work. Arguably you need it for overly clever paywalls and ads, not that any consumers want those. It’s not practical to wish that away
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Yes, in fact the vast majority of internet protocols do not use Javascript at all.
Yes, of course.
Have a look at the Gemini protocol. Has nothing to do with Google’s AI, it’s a protocol mainly for text. No JavaScript, no CSS, just Gemtext.
I run NoScript. I only allow the javascript a site needs to function.
Most sites run well enough without it enabled, at least for viewing the content. Lemmy lets you read without JS enabled.
Google sites demand JS enabled to show you anything.
NoScript is great. I wsh I knew what each script did instead of trialing them is the issue. Clicking a domain just says safe every time I have checked one. Some ared red and others white even when disabled.
That said it is the game changer for clear fast browsing and reading. FF and ublock ❤️
There was a website that showcased pure HTML with carousals, navigation and responsive design. I think it was called “you don’t need js” or something
is it this one? site sadly doesn’t work with https
this one explains some possibilities with it, but sadly it’s an advertisement instead of being available for free…:
I think its the first one
The first link is showing a warning. Is it a phishing link ?
no, iirc that site just doesn’t have https . which is baffling, most modern sites do
Yes
Yes. Absolutely. And I for one would like to see it. But as an entirely different system with all-new DNSs.
I would propose a system like HTMX (yes this uses JavaScript, but not if it was part of the browser itself) for interactive and partial support.
Would it be faster? Ehhh, with proper backend. But it wouldn’t eat your processor or be all janky.
But, in favor or JavaScript: you can’t make a simple calculator without JavaScript. (Please don’t link me to the crazy css hacks!!)
you can’t make a simple calculator without JavaScript
But you can make an overly-complicated one with PHP!
/s it would actually still be simple just needing page reloads
It’s not simple if you use laravel as a framework just to return calculator results ;)
Why would I want a calculator in my web browser?
Why would you want basic math in a web browser. Currency conversion? Shopping carts? Mortgage and interest? Dynamic inputs?
Basically nothing would be dynamic. Everything would require a round trip to the server.
Now, I think this “new web” would just simply not cater to those types of “dynamic” desires. Web design would be wildly different. Probably in a good way.
Did you mean to reply to someone else? Unless you want to address my specific point about why would I want a calculator in my web browser, I don’t understand your comment.
There are many different types of calculators. Please educate yourself on them, and consider your question silently to yourself. If you are not a full stack web developer, I feel further communication would be fruitless.
WTF are you ranting about? I’m a web user. As I’ve never owned a device which had a web browser but not a calculator, I’m simply asking why would I want a calculator in my web browser?
Whether or not you are a full stack web developer, I’m confident you can understand this simple concept.
If you think I’m talking about an actual calculator app inside a web browser 🧮, I assure you, you are not understanding this simple concept.
I have already given examples of systems that calculate. “Calculators” they call them.
Mortgage calculators Interest calculators
… I could go on.
All button pushing in a non-JavaScript world requires a round trip to the server. Some people consider this slow and full with privacy concerns—and they are right.
At this point if you are still confused about what I’m saying… then you aren’t ever going to catch up. But please, feel free to continue arguing and embarrassing yourself.
Yes, but it’s harder. JS is easy mode in web development, all the things just kinda work with it.
