You’re platforming a genuine nazi. Shut.
yeah I had been wondering about that. has he done more nazi shit since making people say “Hitler was right” and Holocaust denial shit on fiver?
💀💀💀 are you fr rn
“Well, the nazi hasn’t done [extremely nazi shit] after public backlash without apology. So he’s not a nazi lol”
Please touch grass
The fact that PewDiePie might have a right-leaning following, that he acquired by himself leaning right, which he now exposes to Freedom, using Libre Software, might actually be a good thing. Since exposing yourself to the philosophy of Free Software eventually leads to human rights and thus to the left, in a way. If PewDiePie course-correcting to the left like this, taking his enormous subscriber-base with him, IMO it is very good.
“right leaning” is one hell of a way to describe a fucking outright neo nazi…
I see a few people keep saying that, but how so? What has he done that’s neo Nazis like? Not that I follow the guy or what he does so I may be missing things but the only controversy I can remember that could be considered Nazis like was when he paid some fiver people to make a video saying death to all Jews.
Now I get how that could be considered Nazi like but he said it was a joke and to show that people will do anything for money, and I believe him and thought the joke was funny. So I guess I’m a neo nazi too if that’s it. Obviously it’s a “bad” joke but but it was shocking in a funny way, atleast to me at the time. Given you’re from hexbear I figured you’d find it funny too
Saying nazi shit, enabler
“It was shocking in a funny way” violent racism and genocide is soooo funny lmao /s
I’m not saying that right means freedom but what makes you think that left means freedom?
Maybe the fact that the left supports improved working rights, unionisation, free education, equality of opportunities and between nations, freer borders for people…
Generally representing freedoms to express any and every religion and not just one.
There’s plenty of neo-nazis in the Free Software movement. It’s “Free Software”, not “Free People”
sometimes it feels that there are more cryptofascists in the movement than other ideologies. luke smith is a prime example.
Nazis are everywhere, not just OSS. Never seen one in OSS though
i feel like you missed the time between 1990 and 2005 when american libertarians caused a schism in the free software movement by popularising open source.
You got a problem with open source? In /c/opensource?
i’ve got a problem with what ESR calls open source.
like, the fact that free software is inherently political has been explored elsewhere in the thread, but the term “open source” was started by people who wanted to distance themselves from the free software movement due to them disliking that it was anti-commercial. the open source movement wanted more companies to adopt their code, in contrast to the GNU people trying to stop their work being absorbed into the old big iron.
and they won.
Who won?
the “take our work and pay us nothing, please” crowd.
I think that if your license is MIT then you don’t really understand why free software exist.
There is evidence already in that video that suggests that he is starting to lean more left. Like he pointed out the ecological issues with AI. Even though he did say “I don’t like to be that guy” before saying that.
It seems like he is already doing some doubts and thinking that are signs of moving the left direction.
I’m trying to be the optimist here. If we want not just PewDiePie, but his subscribe-base to change sides, we need him to be extra careful and extra soft with this sort of change. He seem to know how to form good streams of thoughts and convincing narratives. This would take some serious carefulness on his part. And it seems like he is already taking small steps to do that.
I’m sorry no. He is not leaning more left he’s just an opportunistic crypto fascist.
I see him more as your typical edgelord who did enable a lot of shitty fascists, idk if he is an ideological fascist though.
He said the N word on stream, in a “heated gamer moment”. I have never ever said that word in private or otherwise, leading me to believe that is not his first time or last.
He paid poor people in India on fiver to hold a sign saying “kill the jews”
In his apology video he wore a shirt with a fucking iron cross on the collar.
He is a Nazi and to continue to hem and haw about whether he is or isn’t is exactly what crypto fascist losers like him want you to do.
PewDiePie is a Nazi. Stop carrying water for Nazis.
He also used to follow a ton of open white supremacist NAZIS on Twitter like Laura Southern and that guy who got punched in the face. People screenshotted it and he noticed and privated his follows. That was many years ago. But you don’t follow open Nazis if you’re just some gamer dude (if he was some sort of respectable journalist you could have an excuse of having a newsworthiness angle but he followed them because he liked their posts because he is a NAZI).
I think he’s more greedy than committed to bringing about Nazi goals so is somewhat careful about not exposing too much of that part of himself but he’s part of the white supremacist gamergate to white supremacist streamers pipeline and should be called a Nazi until they day he 1) admits he was a Nazi, 2) disavows that. 3) disavows other Nazi gamer streamers who exist in his “edgelord space” 4) becomes openly progressive and goes out of his way to denounce and attack fascists and white supremacy. Until that day he should be assumed to still be a Nazi.
Ok well in Europe people say and used to say the n word a lot, idk where you are from but when I moved here 17 years ago white kids saying the n word was „normal“ I was pretty shocked because I came from US schools where that was a huge no no. So I’m just saying hearing a white person saying the N word in Europe wasn’t a sign that people were dyed in the wool racists. As for the iron cross thing, that’s an older Prussian military symbol which is still used by the German military (yes it’s full of right wingers but which military isn’t) also Lemmy used to run around wearing iron crosses didn’t mean he was a nazi.
All the rest sounds just like an idiot trolling, I don’t know the guy and I’m not defending what he did, he definitely helped poison the discourse and gave Nazis a place where they could feel safe which is bad. I still don’t know if he’s an ideological fascist though so I’m not going to call him one. I’m not carrying water for any one at the end of the day idgaf about any of these internet personalities. I’m just also not going to accuse some one of being a nazi if I don’t know that he is one.
At the end of the day I think he just did all this shit for the controversy it stirred up because guess what in the media hellscape we live in stirring up controversy makes good money, a lot more than being sincere sadly.
What in the UX war crime is this for me to read an article. It’s like the polar opposite of for-profit media trying so hard that it’s just looped around on itself
Oh you even got the iWarning lol
Yes, your user agent detector is certainly working
I did too, so, thanks, now I’m cackling at this racist bullshit:
…racist? ive read that description in the screenshot twice. what part is specifically racist?
It’s just jingoistic drivel, same as all of Trump’s China crap. Implying the phone has better privacy because it’s made in the US.
but what specifically makes this racist? I’m failing to see any example of it in the text you initially showed.
The URL being puri.sm was what I noticed first
isnt that just a FOSS operating system for phones and tablets?
if its something more sinister, I’d be interested to learn it.
Vibes.
thank you for confirming that even you have no idea what the hell you’re actually angry about. that’s pretty funny.
good luck with whatever you think you’re fighting against 😅
so how is it racist?
It’s a Librem5 phone with cringe name and 100% markup, but it’s their own product nonetheless. I.e. it is not a generic Android with a custom skin and preinstalled apps like Trump Phone, Freedom Phone, or Quantum Internet box.
You can buy pretty much the same Librem5 assembled in China for ~$700. Take a look at Liberux Nexx Linux phone too (they are just staring out)
(Not sure what you’re calling racist here, appeal to “patriots”?)
The implication that Chinese-made goods are less private. Also I’m pretty sure most people speculate that the Trump phone is just a rebranded one of these? Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
But did you sign the petition!? It’s hard not too, literally.
So glad that one of the largest youtubers is promoting Linux, FOSS and privacy :D
I see that this is your own article, so I don’t mean to disrespect your effort or intentions, but to hell with PewDiePie
I think Microsoft’s Windows 11 has done that far more effectively than any influencer
lol
No.
Anyone with a platform can do that.
(And from the little bits I’ve seen, mostly over memes & various news bits, the quality is questionable. Just don’t follow the whims of influencers, it’s not the correct way forward imho, it just inevitability leads to or spreads enshitification.)
I disagree, but I don’t know why. Intuitively it doesn’t feel like this is a bad thing. The people that “get it” will be introduced to something that they like and will go down the good path. The people that don’t get it, won’t. Just like they weren’t before. Net profit: we turned some people towards the light. 🤷♂️ I see it as a win.
We don’t have to use the same method on all people either. This might work for some, but not all, surely.
I don’t really understand the enshittification spreading part of your argument. Curious to know more about what you meant by that.
Wait until he discovers the Fediverse…
I have asked a few times why PDP deserves all the hate. The best answer I got is “look it up yourself”. I did, and the only things I found were many years old, and in each instance (of which there aren’t that many) he apologized publicly and acknowledged that things got out of hand. To me, his apologies seem sincere and genuine - none of that “I’m sorry I got caught” bullshit that actual scumbags are known for.
I don’t watch PewDiePie but he’s alright best I can tell. If I’ve missed something, please let me know what that is, and be specific because I genuinely can’t find it.
I used to watch him years ago. He has a very young and impressionable audience which he constantly feeds memes with right-wing rethoric.
To list a few of the stuff I remember:
- He said the N word hard R;
- He paid people on Fiverr to show a sign saying “Death to all Jews” or something like that, where he laughed at the reveal. He said it was to prove a point that you could do harmful shit with that type of online service, but all it ended up doing was getting the guys banned from the platform and served to signal to Nazis that he would host such content;
- He allowed right-wingers to fester in his community, 4chan specially really liked the guy;
- The Christchurch shooter mentioned him in a video;
- He hosted both Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk in his channel for a “meme review”;
- He has stated multiple times that his favorite author is Mishima, a Japanese fascist.
- He used to stream on some crypto bullshit site, which I don’t remember the name;
- His whole campaign against the Indian conglomerate T-Series lead not only to racist comments but also to a very racist music video he did.
There’s probably much more that I either don’t remember or don’t know about, but this is more than enough to understand where he stands politically and the harm he causes.
I also recommend the video: The PewDiePipeline.
- He used to follow (probably still does) open white supremacists and Nazis of the Richard Spencer/Lauren Southern type and got called out for it and privated his follows on twitter. That was many years ago but given he’s never done a u-turn and say started attacking gamergate and other reactionary gamer politics or loudly supporting broad coalition progressive politics I think we can assume he still holds those politics and more importantly he dog whistles and is part of a pipeline of radicalizing young men, specifically gamers into hate.
You could accuse that “he inspired the Christchurch shooter,” but c’mon just being mentioned by a bad guy isn’t in and of itself a bad thing.
If you can’t see how he hosting Shapiro and Musk, using right wing memes and rethoric, endorsing a fascist author, and allowing Nazis and other right-wingers to fester in his community is directly related with why that POS shooter mentioned him, that is precisely the problem.
That’s a common excuse used to defend the guy over and over again like it is just some isolated incident and not connected to the content he produces and the community he fosters.
I didn’t say that. I said you did not push the accusation. Instead you weaseled out by saying he was “mentioned.”
Yes because in this case it’s relevant. You are right that being mentioned by a bad person is not necessarily proof of anything. But like I said, in this case it is connected to the content and community that PewDiePie has.
allowing Nazis and other right-wingers to fester in his community
Would you mind elaborating on that? Is it that these people are in his YouTube comments, maybe on a subreddit? I never followed this guy, I’ve only seen probably less than 5 videos he’s made (likely only 2), one of which was this open source video.
Originally I avoided the guy because he was just a “loud is funny” let’s player, then I heard he said the N word, and i had heard people trying to get him to be the #1 YouTube channel over some music conglomerate.
In any case, while you can do things to attract certain people, I’m not sure how much control you have over your community, which is why I’m asking.
Sure thing. These people were both on his YouTube comments and on his subreddit. Tho I remember it being worse at the subreddit.
The issue is not that Nazis will watch his content, that’s outside of anyone’s control, but that his content funnels people into right-wing ideologies, which attracts these types of people.
The video “The PewDiePipeline” that I linked talks about this better than I could.
he said the N-word, hard R and all
Yeah that wasn’t a great moment, but if you look at the context for that you’ll see that it wasn’t even talking about a black person. It was just an expletive, like saying “motherfucker” or “son of a bitch” etc.
Keep in mind that outside of USA the N word is not nearly as charged politically and racially as it is within the USA. And PDP is Swedish IIRC, not American.
Edit: my point is that his usage of that word - which AFAIK only happened once - is not indicative of his character. It’s just indicative that he was really angry at that moment and human brains for some reason use expletives in those cases.
I heard he’s Hated cause he’s a Nazi apparently.
Ppl hate for the sake of hating. Pewds fell into a nichè and made millions and naturally people are jealous. Others just hate how loud he is.
I don’t really care, I saw his transformation over the years and while I didn’t like most his content he is a nice guy. And being along for the ride was sort of like every time something happened you basically were part of (yt) history books xD
The “niche” being a hard nazi
Lol
I don’t really care, I saw his transformation over the years and while I didn’t like most his content he is a nice guy. And being along for the ride was sort of like every time something happened you basically were part of (yt) history books xD
You sound like an insanely parasocial 15 year old, grow up and stop getting mad at people not liking your favourite youtuber.
I’m not sure sure how you came to that conclusion
“He’s a nice guy” “being along for the ride” “I saw his transformation over the years” “People hate for the sake of hating”.
That’s not a claim to make without some evidence. There is a thing he did a long time ago on fiverr, and from my POV that does not reflect on his views at all. I can explain my reasoning if you want. Other than that incident, is there any other reason to suspect he’s a Nazi?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmRYRRDbuw
he is a nazi aight
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/2/17/14613234/pewdiepie-nazi-satire-alt-right
He has repeatedly and overtly used Nazi imagery, made a multitude of “jokes” like this:
Mr. Kjellberg says the material is portrayed in jest. He showed a clip from a Hitler speech in a Sept. 24 video criticizing a YouTube policy, posted swastikas drawn by his fans on Oct. 15 and watched a Hitler video in a brown military uniform to conclude a Dec. 8 video. He also played the Nazi Party anthem before bowing to a swastika in a mock resurrection ritual on Jan. 14, and included a very brief Nazi salute with a Hitler voice-over saying “Sieg Heil” and the text “Nazi Confirmed” near the beginning of a Feb. 5 video.
[…]
In addition to more overt Nazi symbolism, Kjellberg makes references to the alt-right that are veiled but obvious if you know where to look. In one video from late August, he makes an extended racist joke comparing Harambe the gorilla to Saturday Night Live and Ghostbusters actress and comedian Leslie Jones, echoing the widespread politically tinged, racist harassment that Jones endured last summer, largely from the alt-right.
And in another video from November, Kjellberg overlays a swastika, along with audio of a speech from Hitler, over unrelated commentary about clickbait YouTube channels. He then goes on to refer to BuzzFeed as “a bunch of cucks” — “cuck” being an alt-right buzzword.
Has nothing new has come up since 2017-2018?
Absolutely true for the time the article was written (2017). He changed his ways after the Christchurch attacks which happened in 2019.
He has stated his favourite author is a Japanse fascist who wanted to restore the emperor, Yukio Mishima, who tried to do a coup and killed himself when he failed.
But I’m sure he just likes the guy for his prose, and has no particular fixation or interest in Nazi and fascist imagery and politics.
When did he state this? Recently?
I agree with the other things people mentioned, and I don’t care that he did it for the money, attention of if he has nazi views (the point that he did it is important). But Mishima is really stretching it. He is really popular outside Japan and has a good prose. Much much nore non nazis like his writing so I wouldn’t call it a dog whistle.
If you want specific, I found this: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1354856520938602
I’ve skimmed the introduction, and it only seems to cite the same Fiverr incident from 2017. I think it only uses PDP to illustrate some point and attract readers, but I’d have to read the whole thing to be sure.
Being a YouTube personality is enough justification for me.
Great blog post! The mastodon outrage was a highlight as I see it again and again. Dunking on bridgy-fed, opt-out telemetry and donation pop-ups.
As I have tried to put myself in the shoes of a typical person I can see how they can view FOSS as crazy people in tinfoil hats creating templeOS.
A lot of the times when people hear of Richard Stallman, or other people, who correctly state that all proprietary software is absolutely inexcusable, they feel pressured. Which makes them recoil and distance themselves from those types of ideas. If you need to suddenly re-learn the entire way you are using the computer, and you may have certain habits, or certain things you rely on, or enjoy very much, either games, or software, or in case of PewDiePie, the platform he is on. You will automatically feel like whatever these Stallmans are asking from you is so absurdly hard for you to do, that you don’t even consider it. More than that, to protect yourself from that hard work, you come up with a bunch of reasons, to not even engage in that idea. Which creates an opposition. And it is not something that we want.
It’s not just that, the overbearing FOSS mentality, from Stallmans corner of that world, is that you need to take a damn political position on software to be able to interact with other people that use it.
Which in itself is not actually true, but if you approach it like this with non-technical types then they will rightly and instinctively balk at both the software and you.
Bringing people to FOSS should be the same as bringing them to any other software, and if the ideology behind it is so self-evidently true then - by its own standard - it won’t need significant petitioning to convince them they should use more of it for ethical reasons as well as to meet their needs. This is software, not Amway. They’re trying to write a word document, not to join a cult.
The challenge is that we’re not just selling software, we’re selling an idea - the idea that users deserve control over their computing. We’re not competing on the proprietary software marketplace, we’re offering an alternative to it.
We are already seeing the proprietary software world enshittify. More and more “non-tech” people are looking for a way out. The challenge is to demonstrate that these problems are inherent to the world of proprietary software and not just because “Google is evil.”
Politics is what happens whenever more than 2 people make a decision
Maybe “adopt an ideology” is fairer than “take a political position”
It’s not just that, the overbearing FOSS mentality, from Stallmans corner of that world, is that you need to take a damn political position on software to be able to interact with other people that use it.
FOSS is literally a political and ideological set of positions. The entire thing that makes Free Software and Open Source differentiated from just “normal” software development and distribution are a set of political and organisational positions, which are in limited fashion codified and expressed in software licenses, and also through e.g. structure of organisations around projects and why they’re structured that way.
Without that, you just get companies making money from pawning off a portion of their development and infrastructure costs to volunteers and other organisations (non-profits, other companies, governments).
Bringing people to FOSS should be the same as bringing them to any other software,
FOSS isn’t about fandom of a particular piece of software.
and if the ideology behind it is so self-evidently true then - by its own standard - it won’t need significant petitioning to convince them they should use more of it for ethical reasons as well as to meet their needs. This is software, not Amway. They’re trying to write a word document, not to join a cult.
This is absurdly politcally and socially naive. Also can we please ban stemlords from ascribing every aspect of politics and political advocacy to always being a cult.
You seem to have some reasonable points here but as you’re resorting to lame ad hominems, you can bicker with yourself.
As a developer and maintainer of FOSS, you are a part of the problem I’m describing
but as you’re resorting to lame ad hominems
lmao
all people who don’t share my political naivety are “cultists”
invokes ad hominem so your argument is invalid
Perfect representation of STEMlord redditor.
As a developer and maintainer of FOSS, you are a part of the problem I’m describing
The problem being we aren’t all as absurdly shallow in our understanding of the world and politics as you are? Get your head out of your arse.
More of the same. Shocking.
Enjoy your day.
