When it has been demonstrated over and over again, how little they think of anyone beneath them.
Maybe bc they are human?
I think most people are incapable of understanding just how much damage the rich do to the working class on a regular basis.
The rich kill more people every year, through business and political decisions, than any terrorist group or military. Often by being the puppet masters of those terrorist groups and militaries.
The rich are humans, that’s just fact. However, people need to wake the fuck up and see the richest and most powerful in the world fundamentally lack humanity. They are fundamentally isolated from human beings through their wealth and influence.
From personal experience from people that I know who love to defend the wealthy they believe that if we defend the wealthy and give them everything that they want eventually we will give us something back as well and we will enjoy a better life. Somehow?
To try to understand someone is not the same as respecting them. One can try to understand one’s enemy to better fight them.
They are human.
Humans are just like that.
Also, kinda hard for me to imagine eating a god. Just…ew.
Depends on your religion, I guess. The Flying Spaghetti Monster seems pretty edible.
Because a lot of people aren’t paying attention to when their unethical behavior is demonstrated repeatedly, and they just assume billionaires are just like the rest of us.
A lot of these people are so lost that they genuinely believe anyone can become a billionaire if they put in the work. Propaganda machine go brrrr
In every era, the ideas that rule are the ideas of the rulers.
This point is expansively detail in capital and ideology by Piketty
Boot lickers. Just boot lickers. Hoping to become one of them one day.
Lemmy is such a weird site. Almost every thread I’ll read the most terrible dehumanizing shit said about working class people for just existing in a conservative U.S. state, but a thread asking why the rich are idolized every negative comment appears to have upvoted responses calling to recognize the humanity in everyone.
Weird.
Really depends on the instance. Most lemmy.world subs are cesspools. Hexbear and the like tend to be much better overall.
Hexbear remains winning
Because they “earned” or achieved wealth, i.e. worked really hard to become rich
You mean because people think the rich earned their wealth?
Like Jeff Bezos slaving day and night, as he does, to get all those parcels sent out.
Or Elon coming up with, like, cool ideas. And shit. After smoking another blunt and thinking about how great Adolf Hitler really was.
They be dragons.
It makes me wonder if some of the dragons written in literature are just an allegory for the ultra wealthy and powerful of their time that were hoarding unimaginable wealth while the huddled masses starved.
pretty sure that’s a metaphor
Think of Smaug from the Hobbit, tell me how Smaug is different from Jeff Bezos and his underground bunker of money.
smaug had less, and was (eventually) content just sitting on his pile long as noone stole from it?
Bezos is on a never ending crusade to take as much as he can forever
How we don’t know how vast the riches of Middle Earth were. Perhaps there wasn’t much more for Smaug to get unless he mined it himself and being a lazy dragon was satisfied to just have almost all available money and hold it. Bezos knows there is still so much more he can gather so he hasn’t gone over to “Sit on wealth hoard mode.”
Everyone human is human but psychopathy seems to favor wealth gain. But like woz would be one of the richest people in the world if he had not shared his apple stock with employees. Hes still rich though and a nice guy. His generosity though is why he is a millionaire and not a billionaire.
True.
Wealth filters psychopathy upward and you need to be at least little asshole to succeed in competition, but I think the broader influence is all the shit talk about deadbeats and freeloaders, that in long term dehumanizes the poor and creates notions that wealthy are better breed and there’s nothing wrong, if the unfortunate die in the gutter. If they can’t support themselves, maybe that’s for the best. You can clearly see this shift even in many people that were once considered to be leftists.
Some kind of “Stanford experiment” kind of effect.
Well, they are in fact human. Trying to understand how they got the way they are is the first step to trying to not let more of them happen. That said, the rotten apple is still an apple. But in the end, I am still going to throw it away.
They are not in fact human in the ways that matter. Their organs are compatible. That is all.
Those who would commit atrocity use dehumanizing language to justify horrible things. Let’s leave that to the fascist of the world. We don’t have to act as if a person isn’t human to recognize their evil. Humans are capable of great love and great evil. Avoiding dehumanizing someone is not forgiving them for the terrible things they have done. Why do you need to view something as not human to recognize it’s evil? That, honestly worries me. We can serve justice to these terrible people and still call them human.
Nah. Dehumanising language is A-OK as long as it’s going upwards.
These people are not human. They are lacking in fundamental humanity.
Luigi should, at most, be done for firing a gun in public. The fact a sociopath’s brain got in the way is irrelevant.
These cunts need to start feeling terrified.
It’s not an atrocity if they mean to oppress you I am describing their behavior and choices and those who commit commit atrocity also use punctuation eat pancakes etc so whos the real monster here
I do not in fact need to do that there are plenty of spectacularly shitty people even if I do not subscribe to the concept of evil per se but a person is a kind of thing the word has a meaning and as i believe in nonhuman persons that word is not a synonym for biologically human and feel like by using dehumanizing language I am only describing their behavior as many of them are proud of their distance from us and revel in inhumanity and when trying to speak to you my intuitive sense of audience has me using human as a synonym for person which is real fucked up for reasons Ill elaborate on
A whale or elephant or octopus or corvid is probably a person and a human can with great effort scour the personhood from itself just as it may nurture and develop the properties that comprise personhood in itself others and the world
If you want to be a moral coward feel free to not think about any of this feel free to keep your imagining of personhood a coincidence or some inborn essentialist entitlement which honestly sounds creepy and supremacist as you completely refrain from developing those things into more of what they could be which now that I’m saying it makes you sound like a total fucking reactionary but remember that only one of us used punctuation here like a genocidal piece of shit so maybe you are not in the best position to judge and I hope this was as fucking annoying to read as your reflexive unconsidered reactionary outburst of slave morality scolding
As an edit or addendum or whatever Dehumanization is a tool of violence yes and distrust yes and exclusion yes and these monsters who have declared themselves the enemies of the very concepts of society of freedom of humanity who have both claimed the results of dehumanization as their crowns and proven more than any other but their ilk from ancient times that they deserve it are I feel fair game because they cannot be negotiated with appealed to on moral grounds or swayed to the better with art because they are apart from us and have declared their needs and futures directly counter to ours so much that they will damage their own interests on purpose if the act damages ours at least as much to the point I would genuinely believe the lack of action on climate change is a deliberate retreat to bunker fantasies how in what way are these fucks still meaningfully persons when even their imagination and comprehension is broken they do not have a single original idea or critical thought between them every tech dystopian bullshit thing you’ve seen is just a fucked up idiots understanding of a 20th century science fiction novel for fucks sake Facebook is literally just the snow crash company zuckerberg hasnt even read a second god damn book since 1994 so please for the love of fuck tell me what personhood is in a way that isn’t human chauvanist essentialist woo or completely trivial and how these monsters have a shred of it but my x86 computer from 2011 doesnt
You should not be downvoted. The super rich are directly responsible of the misery and suffering of billions of people, every day they decide or simply allow people to be killed in a war or live in the street or left to die of hunger or sickness if they can make more money. They are de facto dehumanising themselves. Billionaires are not humans.
It is liberalist ideology to assume humanity is defined by morals, empathy, care, collective aid and other social values that we need to survive. Humanity is material.
The reality is that these atrocities are well within the bounds of humanity. Billionaires are anti-social, as in against a functioning society (not merely against civilization). Incompatible with long-term life. The horrifying truth is that they’re human.
Is humanize the word you really mean to use, or do you mean something more like valorize or glorify?
Are you aware of what it means to dehumanize?I’m pretty sure they meant that. There are a lot of people who don’t see rich people as humans anymore. The irony is lost on them.
There are a lot of people who don’t see rich people as humans anymore.
Can you give an example?
I think it is important to recognise people as people. I’m not making excuses for intentionally malicious wealthy or powerful people – but the wealth or power itself isn’t the whole problem (although the various systems that perpetuate and enable certain wealthy or powerful people are problematic of course), and we shouldn’t give these adults that as an excuse.
They’re wealthy, yes. They’re also human beings who choose to be cruel, callous, selfish, uncaring arseholes.
They’re powerful, yes. They’re also adults who know what they’re doing and consistently make the decision to harm people with their choices.
Netanyahu’s political power wouldn’t be as much of a problem in and of itself if he wasn’t choosing to enact a genocide. Murdoch’s wealth wouldn’t be as much of a problem in and of itself if he didn’t choose to use it to buy media outlets and push right-wing lies to millions.
No excuses for cruelty; the money and power didn’t “corrupt” these people, because we don’t live in a fantasy world where money and power are magic cursed items. These people intentionally decided to be cruel.
I agree mostly, but I think there is something to be said about the detachedness of it all though. Having you and your entire livelihood and ability to sustain your family/empire utterly insulated from the destruction your decisions cause, and in this day and age, even informationally insulated by simply either staying in bubbles or literally paying others to confront the criticism or negative effects you’d be hearing about.
When you willfully destroy any frame of reference that portrays what you’re doing as evil and destructive, or when the system you’re apart of is designed to facilitate that sort of mindset… I realize you mentioned similar points in your comment but I couldn’t help coming from a different direction.
I think that level of pure power and wealth does breed a type of ignorant sociopathy akin to a very young child picking the wings off of a butterfly, on a societal level (a simplification of course).
All this to say that while we don’t live in a fantasy land where money and power are cursed artifacts, I think it’s not helpful to cover for the effects such tools can have when a human being acquires both in nigh-untouchable quantities.
Edit: Not trying to cover for the horrible decisions these people make, and it’s true some people can just be cruel - just trying to float that they were and are human beings born into these systems just like everyone else.
Edit2: Goddamn it I typed all this out just to realize it’s a .world account and therefore they can’t see this. Neat. 😅
