Venezuelans who come to the US tend to be wealthier, in order to be able to get here, and have enough issues with their country in order to leave, issues that they will usually blame on the leadership.
None of this is to say Maduro has majority support, he doesn’t by most accounts, or that they don’t represent a sizable chunk of Venezuelans who don’t like Maduro, but that his support isn’t as non-existent over there as it is here.
It’d be like if Trump took over the US and you only got your views on what Americans think from expat communities in Canada. They would probably cheer his death, even if it was by a foreign empire, but that wouldn’t be representative of average Americans who probably wouldn’t like the foreign intervention, even if they don’t like Trump.
it’s also likely they know the formula: “show support not protest because protest will get you ICE’d.”
You don’t know Venezuelans if you think this way lol! Do you think Venezuelans with papers care about “getting ICE’d”?
I’m not saying Trump wouldn’t try this. I’m saying that your comment shows lack of context.
Edit: keep on with the downvotes. I know what I’m talking about lol!
I’ll say yes… Yes they do.
Trump has made it crystal clear that any non-white South American is subject to deportation on the whim of Steven Miller.
There’s 100 million Americans of latin/african/asian ancestry to deport, after all.
Lilywhite America is gonna want to stay the dominant group, any way - legal, moral or not - it can.
And again, you don’t know Venezuelans, since there are plenty of them who are Italian and Portuguese descendants, and they are as entitled as the white race they represent.
I’m telling you, man. I know what I’m talking about because I know my people. I have all the context.
So… they’re olive-skinned southern Europeans.
Unless they can pass as northern WASPS, and they do not have “ethnic” sounding names, they can try and act as white as they want. However, it will only be a matter of time.
President Drumpf is angling for the 4th Reich and self-loathing acolytes like Steven Miller will happily oblige.
elbarto777 my friend, I know MY people as well.
There you go. That’s the phrase that tells me that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Good-bye.
Uh-huh. And you’re being blind to how the people in this administration are thinking. Your white-passing Venezuelans are on borrowed time.
Let me add that Trump has only groused about the lack of Scandinavian and Germanic - that is, minty-green white northern europeans - coming to America.
Decades ago, people were mocking this kind of thinking. (Can’t find the videos aywhere, but scroll the page and take note of the BUSH ads that were spliced into that particular episode. The third one in particular. I remember seeing it the night it aired.)
We laughed our asses off at the absurdity of it all, now it’s become political reality and I am not laughing anymore.
Take care.
You too take care.
. . . Do you think ICE cares about papers?
Of course not. But I’m talking about Venezuelans, not ICE.
It’s as if you asked me if an enraged, untrained pitbull wouldn’t act upon its impulses because the police could shoot at it.
Sample size of 3: my naturalized citizen (from Venezuela as an infant) D&D buddy is concerned AF. His (also naturalized) parents are more blithe about the current political climate.
Thank you for providing backup.
“only 33% of naturalized citizens from Venezuela have a go bag packed” is not the support you think it is.
Why did you downvote me? I wasn’t being sarcastic. I was agreeing with you.
But anyway. This was fun.
One last question, what is a “go bag packet”?
A “go bag” is a bag you have for when you need to leave (“go”) in a hurry. For example, you might have a change of clothes, cash, hygiene items, your passport(s), snacks, a week’s worth of prescription meds, first aid kit.
My friend has one because he’s an immigrant and doesn’t feel secure in the current political environment. I have one because I’m trans and I don’t feel secure in the current political environment.
I downvoted you because it felt skeevy to be told I was providing backup to you, when I didn’t feel my data was particularly supportive. It felt like you putting words in my mouth.
I see. Yeah, I do have friends with go bags. I don’t feel I need one yet, but yes, the possibility to leave “sooner rather than later” is a conversation I started having with my closest ones.
I’m sorry you have to go through all of this too. I personally think it’s some major bullshit how the trans community is being used as a form of division. It’s so vile. Good to know you’re alert and prepared though. And hopefully “this too shall pass” remains true.
where did i mention papers? ICE is detaining CITIZENS for crying out loud. Support for trump is support for fascism and genocide.
Again, you don’t know Venezuelans with papers, fascism or not.
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amd neither do you. doesn’t change the facts about trump lol.
You guys are arguing different points.
ICE will deport anyone it wants, papers or not.
Venezuelians with papers apparently don’t give a shit if they get deported.
These aren’t mutually exclusive facts.
Thank you. That’s exactly my point. But apparently, non-Venezuelans are ready to tell me, a Venezuelan in his 40s, that I don’t know what I’m talking about.
i’m saying thanks to the power dynamic here (think: “exploitation or stuff HR would frown at…”) - the dynamic existing means the folks cheering in the street cannot be considered truly cheering. it can only be considered, at best, an example of consent being manufactured thanks to that ICE enforced power dynamic. 😬
edit: also, appreciate your reply
And you would be wrong. Those Venezuelans cheering are honestly and extremely happy that Maduro is gone. They were the first ones to leave Venezuela when Chavez came into power. They’re not playing North Koreans in fear lol.
How would you know anyway? How can you back up your claim? Have you spoken to any Venezuelans besides me, but face to face?
https://lemmy.world/post/41205013
right. and i am glad working class people are happy. but that does not take away from the power dynamic that should not exist to begin with and should be abolished anyway.
the point is - we would feel for them more if the US did not behave the way it does. i don’t like or want dictators- Maduro and Trump alike.
the US should NOT try to police the world.
Lol, “a Venezuelan who was born and raised in Venezuela, lived among all kinds of fellow Venezuelan people, rich poor, decent, criminals, law abiding and opportunistic, selfless and egocentric, saw it fall in the hands of fascism, then moved to the U.S., got a Master’s degree, and had to take a U.S. civics test to become an American citizen, doesn’t know what he’s talking about”.
Sure, man.
it’s a thread on the internet.
Indeed.
Nobody cares if you know what you’re talking about. Support the narrative or shut your mouth.
Lol, yup, I definitely noticed this sentiment here. Oh well.