I understand that some of the criticism comes from conservatives but the sentiment seems to extend far beyond thst. Of course, I understand it when it’s forced or when someone only does it to survive against their will. But if people genuinely want to do it, why do people hate on them?
Personally, I think influencer/hustle culture, parasocial relations, personal “brands” are a rot on society coming from the worst parts of capitalism. The influencer benefits from alienation and I think that’s wrong. I don’t think an OF model is any worse than any other influencer. I also think a lot of OF models didn’t feel they had many options when they started. But the really successful ones could get out or be less parasocial or something.
Because it is cheapening your worth. You are saying that your body is about as valuable as getting someone off, who will cum in a minute. That is clear as day, what it is saying.
Cool, some coomer will save pics of your body for extensive jack off material. Do you want your legacy like that?
My legacy is a bunch of data on a server 🤷🏾♂️. My value lies in how good I am at putting it there. A job’s a job. If they like it and aren’t hurting anyone, I’m not judging.
I don’t like how it’s spammed around, otherwise I wouldn’t care about it.
people think it’s easy money and get jealous
and people like that never realize just how much work actually goes into it (speaking from personal experience here)
This, it’s purely moralistic fart sniffing. That and folks who can’t control themselves and blame the performers for being too tempting.
ITT: misogyny
Sex workers face mortality rates from overdose that dwarf the general population. We’re talking about an external-cause mortality risk roughly 8-12 times higher for these marginalized groups. The direct link is undeniable: studies show a significant history of substance dependence (100% in one cohort) with opioids involved in ~90% of those fatal events. It’s crucial to note these are likely “conservative estimates” because many records don’t capture sex work status.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12405828/
The driving factor isn’t the work itself, but the trauma surrounding it. You see a high burden of PTSD, anxiety, and depression that predates or coincides with substance use. For many, the drug use, especially “polysubstance” mixing of opioids and benzos, is a form of self-medication to numb the violence and stigma
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acps.13559
The overdose is often a direct consequence of criminalization and policing. Research shows that when police target sex workers or create barriers to safe consumption sites, the odds of a fatal overdose more than double (AOR 2.15)
They don’t. Generally, nobody cares. The few that do are just so damn loud you’d think there was a lot of them.
Misogyny.
I don’t care for ads. They are basically living ads.
I only have a problem with sex work if people feel like they have to do it to make ends meet, or if they are being coerced into it. The latter being a big problem in the porn industry.
All work is done through coercition Some coercition are worst than other, but the all the worst one are not only in sex works. Fighting for emancipation is done by the workers themselves, not aqainst them
The first is a form of coercion as well.
I feel like I have to do my job to make ends meet - how is that different from sex work? Coercion is a different story
Fact is, we humans make quite surplus enough for everyone to make ends meet. Your job is a form of coercion, to make others money. That health care in the U.S. is tied to one’s job is evidence of that. That housing is dependent on mortgages being paid consistently or one risks homelessness is more evidence still. Taxes are coercion by governments to give credence to fiat currency, not because they need it to pay for goods and services… they could print money to pay for goods if that weren’t true. Point is jobs are coercion, and sex workers are under the same pressures I described above, enough that I doubt any sex worker is in it just for their love of the game.
We are not free. We are just able to choose from a limited selection of approved choices or face retribution, or maybe you can’t even get a choice and that is seen as a personal failing.
And thus… Sex work is no different to the others
and that’s why sex workers made their unions too
Then why so many sex workers die from drug overdose?
Why do so many people in other jobs die from a drug overdose? Because the world sucks
Sex workers face mortality rates from overdose that dwarf the general population. We’re talking about an external-cause mortality risk roughly 8-12 times higher for these marginalized groups. The direct link is undeniable: studies show a significant history of substance dependence (100% in one cohort) with opioids involved in ~90% of those fatal events. It’s crucial to note these are likely “conservative estimates” because many records don’t capture sex work status.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12405828/
The driving factor isn’t the work itself, but the trauma surrounding it. You see a high burden of PTSD, anxiety, and depression that predates or coincides with substance use. For many, the drug use, especially “polysubstance” mixing of opioids and benzos, is a form of self-medication to numb the violence and stigma
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acps.13559
The overdose is often a direct consequence of criminalization and policing. Research shows that when police target sex workers or create barriers to safe consumption sites, the odds of a fatal overdose more than double (AOR 2.15)
I agree with what you’ve said but I don’t consider these things as caused by the job, rather symptomatic of how the job is treated in society (and how poorly regulated human trafficking for sex work is)
Time to abolish anesthesiologists /s
I think they mean it’s their only option to make ends meet.
So you are saying some people want to do porn, and others don’t. Presumably because some like it and some don’t. They all do it for money though, none of them do it for free.
What’s the basis of knowing if someone does it because they like it then? Because they say so?
I mean that is the same basis for regular labor so yes because they said so
There are a lot ore conservatives in the world than you would believe if you live in a big city and/or a developed western nation.
I respect sex workers but I really don’t want to be advertised to while I’m jerking off, or ever really. Like if i’m in the market for buying nudes I’ll come to you. I have nothing against anyone who buys or sells pics on onlyfans.
how do find these people if they can’t market themselves? (honest question)
Of course, I understand it when it’s forced or when someone only does it to survive against their will. But if people genuinely want to do it, why do people hate on them?
Replace ‘porn star’ with ‘slave’ and you’ll understand. There might be a section of the population that would like to be a slave, but we have, as a society, decided that people shouldn’t be bought and sold like furniture.
Of course, the hatred should be aimed at the economic and social systems that allow people to buy others’ dignity, not at the victims of that system.
Having spoken with a few women that have done things adjacent to pornography, their regrets are mostly in regards to the way they were treated by people that were not in the industry. The escorts I’ve spoken with enjoy the work itself, although not necessarily all of the customers.
What you’re saying about the horrors of pornography and prostitution apply to ALL people that need to work for a living. The company I work for buys my time, the product of my labor–which they sell for many times what I’m paid–and even my dignity by forcing me to wear a uniform of their choice. I absolutely do not like the customers that ultimately purchase the products of my labor, but I have little choice if I want to have a place to live, and food to eat.
The escorts I’ve spoken with enjoy the work itself
Like I said, I’m sure there are people who enjoy this, but the system is still exploitative and harmful.
What you’re saying about the horrors of pornography and prostitution apply to ALL people that need to work for a living …
Yes. In an ideal world, people won’t have to do any dangerous or difficult jobs. But for now, we can’t start with the worst offenders.
I think there are no worst offenders here, all labor is valid as in all labor is exploitative in a capitalist system
Dignity is very relative here, I think you can be a sex worker and keep your dignity
I think there are no worst offenders here, all labor is valid as in all labor is exploitative in a capitalist system
There is no difference in work quality between painting and coal mining? Teaching children and soldering diodes? Really?
I think you can be a sex worker and keep your dignity
Again, I’m not talking about the exceptions here. Having to sell yourself for money is a horrible fate to most, to the extent that we make laws against that. You can think of this the same way.
Yes. In an ideal world, people won’t have to do any dangerous or difficult jobs. But for now, we can’t start with the worst offenders.
do you believe that all sex work is dangerous or difficult?
do you believe that easy & safe but compulsory work as a means to get obtain food and shelter is an ideal world?
do you believe that all sex work is dangerous or difficult?
Emotional toll aside, putting yourself at the mercy of a stronger person who has already shown that he does not care about right and wrong, day after day, is very much dangerous.
do you believe that easy & safe but compulsory work as a means to get obtain food and shelter is an ideal world?
People do enjoy work when it is pleasant and interesting. Should it be compulsory? I don’t know. Rich people who don’t have to do any work often lose touch with the world. So perhaps even in that ideal world where we have amazing robots that can do anything, we should have people do a little bit of some work of their choice.
But all this is just speculation. For now, the focus should be on freeing people from the most dangerous and difficult jobs.
There are significant differences to being forced to sell your mind, competence and time; vs being forced to auction off the another’s use of your own genitals.
Please explain what those differences are without using any magical thinking that places sex into a sacred sphere of human activity that is holy and sacrosanct?
Or don’t. My point is you can tell how serious a person is when they start talking about the morality of sex by replacing every mention of sex in their point with “boxing”. It’s still a highly physical one-on-one activity that’s a crime of both participants haven’t consented, so if the exact same argument doesn’t make sense when made about boxing then they are thinking magically about sex and not materialistically.
Are you comparing OnlyFans to literal slavery? You do know that they get paid, right?
Slaves could get paid and buy their freedom in many historical societies.
I think the comparison is about want and need. They do it because they feel forced into it, by some means or another.
Sounds like the same reason I go to work. I need the money because it’s the only legal option I have to obtain food and shelter.
Not most of them, apparently!
Because most cultures have been heavily influenced by cultures descended from the bronze age sheep fuckers who came up with the idea of virginity as a way of ensuring paternity and maximizing the price they could charge for selling their preteen daughters to old men.
