I’m not talking about while you’re eating, I’m talking about during the next couple hours after over eating. A food coma is absolutely the same feeling as a good high from some drugs. After eating a way too huge meal and laying on the couch i feel soooooo relaxed and floaty and drifting in and out of heavy sleep.
The problem with most problematic habits and behavior is that they feel really good. People don’t generally engage in harmful behaviors that also feel bad.
Well thanks anxiety, I guess? When I eat like that I feel awful. As someone else noted though, fasting can feel good, too virtuous. Until the headache.
Falling asleep at night empty but not hungry, that is the best feeling to me. Like eating enough in the day that my body understands it’s been fed but long enough before sleeping so I don’t feel full at all.
Ime you can get a similar feeling fasting, and then again when eating a normal amount after the fast.
Don’t mix up overeating with the human’s natural down phase during the mid day though. It’s normal for humans to feel tired after lunch, because humans took breaks during the day (kind of like Siesta in Spain).
Industrialization introduced the work from 9 to 5. In reality humans had a biphasic sleep schedule before that. We still experience some after-effects genetically from this in our circadian rythm. There’s actually several words in languages across Europe for this, i. e. in German “Mittagstief” (midday low).
Humans never worked as much for other people as they did this day and age, of course not counting the early days of industralization.
What ? Makes me feel ill
You’ve been using some shitty drugs, then.
Found some old death star a few weeks ago (that I smoked today) that is itself a few months old sitting in a sunny room. The cbn had me munching hard. 8 feel like poo poo.
As someone who definitely did a few hours ago, I can tell that I do not feel good.
The older I get the less I want to overeat. After big meals now if I don’t take a walk I feel like absolute garbage.
You know I had the same problem Two potential solutions: first, change what you gorge on. I eat a big bowl of popcorn most days (against MDs orders I fucking love popcorn) and all it is is empty fiber and butter. We stuff ourselves on Thai (love me some pad gra pao) instead of Chinese (they had the best sauce. Think sweet and sour, not dyed red, with extra garlic, onion greens, and some of that Chinese chile de árbol equivalent its fantastic. Fuck I need to make some and… Ooo I might be able to convince my mother to make beer battered beef bites I can dunk in the sauce I’ll let you know if I succeed because I have been refining this recipe for 20 years and the restaurant I’m copying from just closed. I guess I’m gorging on Chinese again)
Second solution is weed. Or zofran, but weed is more fun. Antiemetics.
Third solution, more of a potential solution to a potential problem, if overeating causes Satan’s Eyeball, they make great ointments to block and heal taco butt. If it doesn’t touch skin, it can’t hurt you (except emotionally).
You should listen to your doctor and your body when they are telling you “no”. Not trying to be preachy or shame you, but please consider your health and well-being.
This thread is the most dystopian #firstworldproblems I’ve seen recently. Especially considering hunger is still (and back to increasing) a significant burden on the global south.
I’m the opposite. I enjoy shoveling food in my face hole, but do not enjoy the feeling afterwards.
Yes, and when I have the munchies but feel full already I’m a bit sad :(
The problem with overeating, is once you need to stop yourself, it’s harder to - because you still need to eat. You still need to keep doing the thing that you’ve got a problem with.
Imagine if to “stop smoking”, you had to smoke 3x a day?
That’s why eating disorders are so damn hard for people.
I desperately wish I could go cold turkey on eating. It is such a difficult thing to regulate for me, I want to simply give it up like I did for nicotine.
GLP1 drugs changed my life. When I’m on it, I have absolutely no desire to overeat. When I’m off it, even if my stomach is hurting from overeating, I still want to eat. It’s pretty crazy.
I recently quit and I’ve been surprised that I haven’t gained all my weight back yet.
But it’s truly crazy until you try this drug, if it works for you, how life changing it is. It really is like, wow, is this how it feels like to be able to be normal???
Do smoothies/liquid ish things instead… Protein powder + spinach leaves+ any combination of blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, pineapple, bananas …
Mmm cold turkey.
Not bad. Nice, hot mustard. Good bread. The turkey’s a little dry… The turkey’s a little dry? Oh foul accursed thing! What demon from the depths of hell created thee?
I’ve quit a nicotine addiction of 11 years cold turkey. That was the easiest because I self regulated most of the time and never reached pack a day. More like pack a week max. Urge to smoke faded within a week.
I’ve quit a cannabis addiction of 8 years cold turkey. That was harder, because I vaped every hour I was conscious. So widthdrawal was pretty fucking awful, but I managed.
Food is crazy hard for me. I was in a 7/11 after every work shift. I got into a really bad delivery food habit during covid lockdowns. I hadn’t cooked my own meals regularly for over 12 years. It was fucking up my health and self esteem severely. I wasn’t a ham planet only because I’m abnormally tall. Still, ideal for me is 220lbs and my worst was 290lbs.
I did extended fasting. You can quit cold turkey, it’s the hardest thing I ever did. Had to give my roommate my pay cards to hide from myself when I was on work week or I’d keep breaking early. Deleted saved pay info from web browsers. First three days are the worst. I’d go 2-3 weeks in a row and then take a month break. Longer is too dangerous or I’m too risk adverse. Either way. Repeated until goal weight. Yadya Yadya drank mineral slurry to not die, not getting into it here.
After that the addictive urges to buy a bunch of candy, carbs, and junk food slowly faded but I had to learn new habits. That’s also very hard for a depressive person. I’ve managed so far to buy raw unprocessed foods for lunch (I don’t do breakfast) and my roommate and I take turns cooking calorie wise HelloFresh dinner meals for now. Slowly getting better at cooking. Eventually I’ll wean off of this service. I’m just trying not to relapse for now.
My mindset until I’m feeling confident is anything highly processed is an evil virus of capitalist satan and I have to avoid it lol. It’s easier since it’s in combination with boycotting American owned/imported everything that I can.
So it can be done. Just don’t develop a new different eating disorder in the process.
Very inspirational, thanks for sharing! What mineral slurry would you consume, if you don’t mind me asking? I quit cigarettes 8 years ago cold turkey no issues, I’m currently trying to muster willpower to wean myself off of cannabis, but binging food when I’m at home is still something I have not had much luck with yet.
I’ve fasted before. Just three days so I can eat normally on the 4th and not having worry about refeeding syndrome. I’m pretty sure hes talking about your daily electrolyte requirements
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Sodium: 1500 mg for adult men and women -
Potassium: 3400 mg for adult men and 2600 mg for adult women -
Chloride: 2300 mg for adult men and women -
Magnesium: 420 mg for adult men and 320 mg for adult women -
Calcium: 1000 mg for adult men and 1200 mg for adult women
I bought nu salt(potassium chloride) and added that to regular salt to my jug of water(2L) and a Cal+Mag pill. I didn’t do long fasts so it didn’t really matter for me, but they are crucial for any extended fast.
Nice yeah, you have the latest list.
refeeding syndrome
With my 2-3 week long fasts I did have to worry about this. Basically @dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com you have to be careful not to eat too much right away. Eespecially not refined sugar/carbs, best to stick to tiny Keto diet meals at first because that’s what your body is doing during a fast anyways. You’ll be deep into Ketosis burning body fat for energy while fasted. You actually lose most of the weight by breathing it out in reality. This is known as Keto Breath. Also, invest in a tongue scraper.
For the first few meals breaking a long fast, you have to eat like a bird. Why is pretty straight forward to look up yourself / research. Knowledge alleviates fear.
Basically it’s to do with a huge insulin spike if you don’t heed this warning. Cells will all rapidly absorb electrolytes leading to dangerously low blood levels. Phosphorus is critical for ATP, you can get organ failure. Refeeding triggers water retention too and if it’s too rapid it can cause heart failure, arrhythmias, or sudden death. Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) or thiamine (B1) deficiency as well.
This is also why if you eat for a few days Keto diet before starting a fast, the first few days won’t be nearly as hard to get through. Getting into a ketosis (not burning glucose) state before fasting helps a great deal.
edit: oh and it’s best to do this in winter months when you sweat less. Easier to manage electrolytes is all.
If you get the runs (never trust a fart when fasting, bring spare undies with you when venturing outside) my go to was psyllium husk with a bit of water to make balls out of it and swallow them. I couldn’t stand mixing it into a glass of water, disgusting. This stuff is 0 cal fiber.
Baking Soda masks the otherwise atrocious taste of the electrolyte mix very well. Don’t forget to add it.
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That’s what I used to think, long ago. Ever since I discovered keto as an adult, it’s like the world has changed. It’s like finding the magic key after a lifetime of struggling with an invisible lock
What’s better, IMO, is keeping a balanced diet that minimizes or eliminates refined carbs and emphasizes protein and unsaturated fats. Unrefined carbs like whole grains can still be very filling even if they’re somewhat calorie dense, and a strict keto diet can make it harder to eat some otherwise healthy foods.
You can pry my falafel from my cold dead hands
Strict keto takes away the food noise, which is what a lot of us struggle with. There’s no longer the cravings, you’re not fighting your own body every hour of every day.
Personally, I’ve settled on a long-term diet
- emphasizing saturated fat
- adequate amounts of bioavailable protein
- zero carbohydrates
All my food noise is gone. All my cravings are gone. I still have some emotional triggers, like walking by a donut shop. I used to walk by, but that’s much more manageable. I’m not struggling with food like I used to. I actually only eat about once a day, I don’t have any cravings. When I do get hungry. It’s a very different hunger than before, it’s just oh I could eat, not I must eat.
From my understanding, food noise can be caused by a few things ranging from eating habits and culture to poor nutrition. Keto is able to help by filling your diet with things that keep you feeling full (protein and fat) and giving you some straightforward rules that keep you eating those things, which makes you not hungry as often and forces you to have some discipline around eating. You can still get cravings and noise on a keto diet though if your nutrition is off.
Whole grains can actually still be very filling despite their calorie density, on par with fats, but they have other nutritional benefits. They contain a lot of important nutrients, vitamins, minerals, and fiber that can reduce cravings and help keep the food noise down.
I’ve actually done keto before, the strict rules were helpful discipline-wise, but I was able to get all of the same benefits without actually being in ketosis. By trying to keep myself eating foods that keep me full, by avoiding binging and keeping my habits in check, and by getting rid of refined carbs (pasta and sugar are the worst, it’s like you didn’t even eat anything) I’ve been able to keep my diet in check pretty well.
Also be careful about saturated fats long-term. It can be bad for your heart if they make up too much of your diet. You’re probably aware already but I thought I’d mention it just in case.
Keto is able to help by filling your diet with things that keep you feeling full (protein and fat) and giving you some straightforward rules that keep you eating those things, which makes you not hungry as often and forces you to have some discipline around eating.
I would also add that keto also removes glucose spikes->insulin spikes->glucose dips, removes lots of the low energy hangry loops that most people are stuck in.
You can still get cravings and noise on a keto diet though if your nutrition is off.
Sure, that would just be biologically appropriate hunger, since the nutrition is off and the body wants more nutrition.
I’ve actually done keto before, the strict rules were helpful discipline-wise, but I was able to get all of the same benefits without actually being in ketosis
Fantastic!
By trying to keep myself eating foods that keep me full, by avoiding binging and keeping my habits in check, and by getting rid of refined carbs (pasta and sugar are the worst, it’s like you didn’t even eat anything) I’ve been able to keep my diet in check pretty well.
Did keto not keep you feeling full?
Also be careful about saturated fats long-term. It can be bad for your heart if they make up too much of your diet.
Thanks for bringing that up. My reading of the literature has satisfied me that in the absence of elevated glucose and metabolic disease saturated fats are actually quite healthy and not a long term health risk (at least for myself).
All carbohydrates I am eating are brown rice, whole-grain pasta and pumpernickel. I don’t know what “food noise” is supposed to be.
Ok, how long can you go between meals? If you skip a meal what happens? Do you need snacks? What if you had no snacks? Do you get hangry? Do you think you could jump into a 48 hour fast right now with no prep?
Food noise is all the urges, tendencies, cravings, hungers, and other signals that are part of snack culture, if you don’t have any food noise - that is amazing, I’m glad!
Are you familiar with ‘jouissance’?
The drive continues past satisfaction into compulsion.
Pleasure is mixed with pain, shame, or guilt during/after the act.
It’s symbolic. Eating can act like a shortcut for dealing with other feelings or wants — it fills a need that words or thinking don’t fix.
I wasn’t familiar with the term (never studied Lacan) but I am offended by the concept of excess pleasure. No such thing.
I see enjoyment (jouissance) as a built-in surplus that pushes past satisfaction into something often painful or compulsive. Ideology hides this excess by promising straightforward fulfillment, but that promise produces the very leftover enjoyment it denies. The subject thinks it wants a clear goal, while an unconscious drive seeks the surplus; culture can redirect this surplus (sublimation) or it returns as symptoms (addiction, shame). So enjoyment isn’t just pleasure — it’s the extra push that both sustains desire and disrupts meaning.
You saying no such thing is a misunderstanding. Žižek links this surplus to the paradox that prohibiting pleasure produces a new form of enjoyment — the pleasure of prohibition. The ban sets up a forbidden object that becomes more desirable; the surplus (jouissance) then migrates into transgression or guilt, so prohibition itself generates the very enjoyment it aims to stop.
I’m curious to know specifically how this was experienced as offending
I despise being over full! Glad I’m not the only one in these comments. It just makes me feel sick.
Yeah it feels good for about 5 minutes then its terrible for several hours
I hate the feeling. But I do overeat sometimes, because I love eating tasty foods and can’t stop even when I’m full.
I’m the same. Love good food and little treats. The taste and the texture and the sensations overall. Yes please.
The aftermath, however, if I ever accidentally overdo it, is just a generally bad, nauseous feeling where it feels kind of “tight” inside, it’s harder to move, you feel bloated and tired, and only thing you can do to mend it is give it time and lay still. It’s bad. Can’t even imagine liking it to be honest. But I get that some (most?) may not feel so confined and anxious when just laying still. I have adhd which probably explains why I absolutely hate having to do that.
Feeling boated and about to puke and also incredibly sleepy is good?
Edit: not to mention, overeating is one of the many less discussed reason we’re in this climate mess…
For some people, yes.
