I think a lot of men are struggling to support the liberal side because the party has pretty much made it not ok to be a white man. The liberal party blames everything on the white man, there were really awful diversity initiatives that probably pissed a lot of men off due to the fact that they would get overlooked for scholarships, internships, jobs, etc.
The right is telling white men that they’re special and “others” are taking their jobs and opportunities. Tale as old as time from conservative politicians.
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
The right is telling white men that they’re special and “others” are taking their jobs and opportunities.
I think that’s sort of the point. If “everything is the fault of X white men” is something that’s just simply demoralizing. I mean, imagine being constantly blamed for the world’s ills. To the hear that they’re special makes them feel like they’re finally recognized and valued, as much as that feeling may betray them. So essentially, all this talk about them being the cause of everything has made them ripe for the picking by propaganda.
Congratulations, you found the problem. It’s easier to say “all white men should die” than “these rich and powerful individuals that made society worse should die”. Guess what happens when you take the easy route all the time.
It’s some of column A, some of column B. Although most of the ‘democrats blame white people for everythin’ actually is messaging from the right wing media. Nonetheless, the reason it works is that there’s kernel of truth that the left needs to understand better. Things like ‘there’s no such thing as racism against whites’ and ‘white guys are born on 3rd’ need to be seen as divisive and counter productive.
the issue is that tons of people are born on third. it’s about money. not sex or ethnicity, it’s wealth.
but apparently some working-class guy making 50K is seen as privledged and evil by the liberals, and they wonder why that guy used to vote for them but doesn’t anymore…
Of course it’s not really ‘liberals’ saying that. It’s a relatively small but loud pool of ignorant left wing radicals. And it’s amplified by the right wing media who use this to disenfranchise people from the left. And so we end up with authoritarian right wing policies that cripple us way more than anything the left does.
dude it’s literally the democrat party’s platform. it’s what kamala ran on and got her ass handed to her. she pandered to every identity group, but men. their entire platform is about minorities and women. men are told to fuck right off. and they wonder why men don’t vote for them?
tons of videos out there from leftwing and liberal news outlets pointed this out. one went through the democrat parties campaign, ads, websites, interviews, and showed men were never discussed, no were bread and butter economic issues.
deny it all you want. young men get the message. and they will vote for who supports them.
I agree with your statements. I’m sure that is an extreme take of blame everything from center left individuals but the far left certainly do and I’m sure the far right take it we blame everything
The NY Post is a supermarket tabloid, you unbelievable moron.
And you said it was more than Reid, didn’t you? What happened AOC, The View, Whoopi and all the boogeymen you mentioned? Were you lying?
Imagine finding a clearly dubious source about ONE FUCKING PERSON and then saying that represents the “left”. It’s a miracle you have enough intelligence to tie your shoes.
All I see is someone trying really hard to be a victim and to be offended. The one’s acting like the left is too mean to them are just unoriginal crybabies that have too much shame to say why they actually vote with the pedophile, anti-science, bigoted, authoritarian party. It isn’t economics.
You claim that the left doesn’t vilify white men. That it just vilifies their behaviour. Yet I often see phrases like “all men are trash”, “whites are the reason the world is fucked up”, “I would rather be with a bear than a man”.
At what point do any of those quotes become a leftist talking points?
So every stupid thing a woman on the internet says is a leftist talking point and makes you vote for a known pedophile party. All this because you’re a strong, intelligent and independent man.
First of all. I don’t know why you are even assuming I voted for Donald Trump or the US republican party. I’m not even American, and I have never voted to any non-leftwing party. And I have voted in every national election I was allowed to vote in. So you can stop with that.
Those quotes become leftist talking points when many leftists use them, and other leftists don’t call them out on it, and you’re a Nazi if you don’t agree with those quotes.
What is a leftist position if not something that leftists say and they exclude you from leftism if you don’t agree to?
You have to show how you’re a victim before you can claim to be a victim. The rest of society will either agree or not according to your claims and evidence.
Seems like you have a problem with non-white women?
Only two of those are politicians. Show proof that they blame white men in general.
One is an old actress and the other is a TV personality. These seem much more likely to say something stupid but you gotta show proof.
What’s funny about this is that Republicans constantly say the most vile racist and bigoted stuff all the time but conservatives always act like victims with hurt feelings about something they imagined was said.
Reparations are happening in California. The New York Post just puts facts on that article on the events that happened idk what you’re saying is tabloid.
No the right is not telling them they are special they just aren’t vilifying them like the left is.
Nazi-Germany which was and is a far-right party definitely claimed they are special. Remember the whole thing about “Aryan” race and how the others are inferior while the Aryan suppose to be superior.
Likud party from Israel which is far-right are claiming they are the superior too and that others suppose to be inferior.
AFD from Germany which leans to Nazism also claim they are the superior.
White supremacy which usually is within the far-right parties very often (if not always) lean to being “superior” over the others.
Even a quick google search would immediately show this. So where are you getting your information from or is it just your opinion?
The right is not claiming white supremacy. They are tired of being told they are inherently racist. They are tired of getting passed up on qualifications for being white vs a different race. They are tired of literally talking about race and possibly having to pay reparations for things they have not done. It’s all right there…
The burden of proof is in the accuser not the accused. I don’t have to provide evidence for something as asinine as saying the right is racist and full of white supremacy.
You also conveniently ignored the evidence I provided and still somehow managed to get say it was an opinion still. Your article clip just proves it was happening?
Reparations… A state that never had slaves is paying with taxes from people who never owned slaves…like it’s happening I don’t understand how you say that.
No the right is not telling them they are special they just aren’t vilifying them like the left is.
The right is not claiming white supremacy. They are tired of being told they are inherently racist. They are tired of getting passed up on qualifications for being white vs a different race. They are tired of literally talking about race and possibly having to pay reparations for things they have not done. It’s all right there…
None of what you just wrote gives any evidence to your previous claims.
DEI hires happened and there was a number that companies needed to hit and other people lost out for the simple reason of race.
you’re talking about DEI as if the right wing party made that happen but it’s the opposite
More than three dozen universities including Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Duke have their participation in a federal research partnership on the chopping block after the state department proposed to suspend them over their diversity, equity and inclusion hiring practices.
Keep in mind the article is from November 2025 which means the right-wing party is in charge.
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I don’t care how old my account is I’m going to bring another side to the story now since you all have just heard one side for so long here.
I do because usually several old days accounts are usually trolls or… like you; claiming stuff which are not (entirely) true
Like I mentioned earlier, you never gave any evidence of the claims you made before and try to change subjects (reparations, slavery and DEI). Zero mentions nor evidence about your claim of; “the far right is not racist and not white supremacy”.
So, yeah. I’m out, I’ll block you so I don’t have to see your baseless comments.
Yeah that’s bs. I remember feeling like this many years ago but eventually realized it was NOT liberals making it not ok to be a white man, but the conservative picture of liberals. This is all from people in the wrong echo chamber internalizing the propaganda from the other side
In some sense, yes and that’s part of the problem. Not sure if you often talk to anyone <25 years old, but as you get older it becomes pretty obvious that they’re just not mentally or emotionally mature. It’s not their fault, the human physiology makes early life an extended formative period. They’re generally not good with nuance or introspection, that’s just how it is.
Take a girl and a boy into Twitter in the 2010s and they’re going to a wide array of diverse and complex viewpoints. The girl is immersed in #MeToo-style solidarity and relatively simple to digest slogans (pregnancy is scary and the left is pro choice, the left is pushing against toxic beauty culture, the left wants me educated and more than a housewife, etc…).
None of can really resonate the same with the boy. In fact, hyperbolic or nuanced slogans fly right over his undeveloped frontal lobe or even backfire (all men are bastards?, black lives matter?, who got cancelled for what?, no means no![usually?], etc…). That doesn’t force him into being a shitty conservative adult, but it definitely affects his politics in the same way that too-early exposure to porn affects someone’s adult sexual attitudes.
People scoff at the concept of treating men with “kid gloves”, but forget that the public internet includes kids. Dismantling the patriarchy is messy and difficult stuff, doing that in front of a generation of impressionable boys is how you end up with the graphs in the article. We’re just now seeing the first social media age repurcussions, but now imagine some younger voters where MAGA politics is the status quo…
I’m going to wholeheartedly disagree with you here. To your point I highly disagree with what you state is the cause of this issue on social media. There’s literally a billion dollar right wing indoctrination campaign targeting boys and men with facist , patriarchal and misogynistic ideology. This entire thread ignores that fact and focuses on a daytime show that almost nobody watches in the first place and is a rare open forum for women to discuss things. That show is in no way anywhere near as hateful or even comparable to what the manosphere pushes.
The Black Lives Matter and me too movements were long overdue and the backlash is very well funded by billionaires. The reason why a lot of people don’t understand why these movements are important is a failure or success of the education system depending on how you look at it. States like California have made ethnic studies curriculum mandatory (critical race theory). understanding the history of colonialists oppression and how it’s shaped societies hierarchy is essential for understanding why it’s bad for everyone and what it means to be “privileged” in a system of oppression.spoiler you’re still oppressed. that’s why right wing states have worked so hard to make sure this isn’t taught. It’s much better for the system of oppression to convince them they are the real victims in all of this so they will continue to enforce the very system that is oppressing them by oppressing those that they are being told are below them for the system. Rape and racism is an entitlement of this system of oppression. Patriarchy isn’t being dismantled it’s being restored and backed by endless money and power.
I don’t disagree that the absurdly well funded and targeted indoctrination campaign is the reason for right wing success. But I think even without that influence you’d still get a generation of “apolitical” or left-skeptic men. That was always going to be the result of any attack against the patriarchy. The inability of progressives to predict that and keep them from going farther right was a massive blunder.
Edit: This is why progressive campaigns à la Mamdani or Bernie have been incredibly popular. Inclusive policies couched alongside clear economic benefits have always been the way to capture universal support. The neo-lib Democratic establishment thought they could have their cake and eat it too by cutting out the troublesome economic half.
I think a lot of men are struggling to support the liberal side because the party has pretty much made it not ok to be a white man. The liberal party blames everything on the white man, there were really awful diversity initiatives that probably pissed a lot of men off due to the fact that they would get overlooked for scholarships, internships, jobs, etc.
Who is getting overlooked? Where?
The right is telling white men that they’re special and “others” are taking their jobs and opportunities. Tale as old as time from conservative politicians.
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
I think that’s sort of the point. If “everything is the fault of X white men” is something that’s just simply demoralizing. I mean, imagine being constantly blamed for the world’s ills. To the hear that they’re special makes them feel like they’re finally recognized and valued, as much as that feeling may betray them. So essentially, all this talk about them being the cause of everything has made them ripe for the picking by propaganda.
No individual is being blamed for anything… well, maybe a handful are…
Congratulations, you found the problem. It’s easier to say “all white men should die” than “these rich and powerful individuals that made society worse should die”. Guess what happens when you take the easy route all the time.
It ain’t just rich and powerful white dudes, though.
A whole lot of incels, for example, could use a wood chipper.
I mean I disagree with you calling it propaganda but yes that’s my point. Why would they stay with a party that demoralizes them.
No the right is not telling them they are special they just aren’t vilifying them like the left is.
It’s some of column A, some of column B. Although most of the ‘democrats blame white people for everythin’ actually is messaging from the right wing media. Nonetheless, the reason it works is that there’s kernel of truth that the left needs to understand better. Things like ‘there’s no such thing as racism against whites’ and ‘white guys are born on 3rd’ need to be seen as divisive and counter productive.
the issue is that tons of people are born on third. it’s about money. not sex or ethnicity, it’s wealth.
but apparently some working-class guy making 50K is seen as privledged and evil by the liberals, and they wonder why that guy used to vote for them but doesn’t anymore…
Of course it’s not really ‘liberals’ saying that. It’s a relatively small but loud pool of ignorant left wing radicals. And it’s amplified by the right wing media who use this to disenfranchise people from the left. And so we end up with authoritarian right wing policies that cripple us way more than anything the left does.
dude it’s literally the democrat party’s platform. it’s what kamala ran on and got her ass handed to her. she pandered to every identity group, but men. their entire platform is about minorities and women. men are told to fuck right off. and they wonder why men don’t vote for them?
tons of videos out there from leftwing and liberal news outlets pointed this out. one went through the democrat parties campaign, ads, websites, interviews, and showed men were never discussed, no were bread and butter economic issues.
deny it all you want. young men get the message. and they will vote for who supports them.
I agree with your statements. I’m sure that is an extreme take of blame everything from center left individuals but the far left certainly do and I’m sure the far right take it we blame everything
The left is not villifying white men… where does this shit even come from? It’s entirely baseless.
check the men vs. bear debate. apparently, meeting a random man in a forest is worse than being mauled by a wild bear.
Joy Reid talks about it every day. The view loves to make white men the problem.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/09/entertainment/meghan-mccain-rips-the-view-after-sunny-hostins-meltdown-over-trump-win-insane-asylum/#%3A~%3Atext=Sunny+Hostin+blamed+“uneducated+white%2Cran+a+“flawless+campaign.”&text=Hostin+—+an+avowed+Democrat+and%2Cterms+with+Trump's+landslide+victory.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/23/us-news/a-look-at-joy-reids-biggest-controversies-and-outbursts-as-her-msnbc-show-gets-the-ax/
The NY Post is a supermarket tabloid, you unbelievable moron.
And you said it was more than Reid, didn’t you? What happened AOC, The View, Whoopi and all the boogeymen you mentioned? Were you lying?
Imagine finding a clearly dubious source about ONE FUCKING PERSON and then saying that represents the “left”. It’s a miracle you have enough intelligence to tie your shoes.
the right is basically saying ‘work your ass off and you will get results’
the left is saying ‘work your ass off and expect nothing because you should give it away because you stole it from a woman/minority’
Exactly.
Who’s vilifying? Is calling people out on their behavior vilifying?
It just seems like a lot of weak people just want to get treated special and the second nobody treats them special they claim to be a victim.
So every white man has the same behavior? Or is “white man” a behavior itself? Should I change my skin color or cut off my dick?
Did I write that somewhere?
All I see is someone trying really hard to be a victim and to be offended. The one’s acting like the left is too mean to them are just unoriginal crybabies that have too much shame to say why they actually vote with the pedophile, anti-science, bigoted, authoritarian party. It isn’t economics.
You claim that the left doesn’t vilify white men. That it just vilifies their behaviour. Yet I often see phrases like “all men are trash”, “whites are the reason the world is fucked up”, “I would rather be with a bear than a man”.
At what point do any of those quotes become a leftist talking points?
So every stupid thing a woman on the internet says is a leftist talking point and makes you vote for a known pedophile party. All this because you’re a strong, intelligent and independent man.
First of all. I don’t know why you are even assuming I voted for Donald Trump or the US republican party. I’m not even American, and I have never voted to any non-leftwing party. And I have voted in every national election I was allowed to vote in. So you can stop with that.
Those quotes become leftist talking points when many leftists use them, and other leftists don’t call them out on it, and you’re a Nazi if you don’t agree with those quotes.
What is a leftist position if not something that leftists say and they exclude you from leftism if you don’t agree to?
sorry, so what sex/ethnicity to i have to be to be a victim of society?
You have to show how you’re a victim before you can claim to be a victim. The rest of society will either agree or not according to your claims and evidence.
cool, so if i get raped and society says it’s not rape, it’s not rape then?
interesting.
Lol literally any problem that exists is the white man’s fault right now. Really?
Who is saying that on the left?
It sounds more like projection and insecurity on your part than anyone actually saying that.
Joy Reid. Aoc. Ohmar. Whoopi. The entire cast of the view. Those are just off the top.
Any actual quotes from them that prove your assertion? And no one cares about Whoopi, she’s not some representative of the left.
Seems like you have a problem with non-white women?
Only two of those are politicians. Show proof that they blame white men in general.
One is an old actress and the other is a TV personality. These seem much more likely to say something stupid but you gotta show proof.
What’s funny about this is that Republicans constantly say the most vile racist and bigoted stuff all the time but conservatives always act like victims with hurt feelings about something they imagined was said.
Also, there’s GOP is full of pedophiles.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/10/19/young-republicans-group-chat-internet-reality-00613876
https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook
It doesn’t matter they arent politicians. They are the left. Just like you can claim tucker Carlson for the right I can for this.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/23/us-news/a-look-at-joy-reids-biggest-controversies-and-outbursts-as-her-msnbc-show-gets-the-ax/
https://nypost.com/2024/11/09/entertainment/meghan-mccain-rips-the-view-after-sunny-hostins-meltdown-over-trump-win-insane-asylum/#%3A~%3Atext=Sunny+Hostin+blamed+“uneducated+white%2Cran+a+“flawless+campaign.”&text=Hostin+—+an+avowed+Democrat+and%2Cterms+with+Trump's+landslide+victory.
Gop full of pedos is definitely not an argument. The Democratic party is full of pedos and sexually insane people.
Lol you chose an opinion piece article and one that looks at events with abnormal bias. Good job.
Lol, you didn’t answer his question because you know you’re wrong.
Reparations. Election wins. All kinds of shit are the white man’s fault right now
https://nypost.com/2025/02/23/us-news/a-look-at-joy-reids-biggest-controversies-and-outbursts-as-her-msnbc-show-gets-the-ax/
https://nypost.com/2024/11/09/entertainment/meghan-mccain-rips-the-view-after-sunny-hostins-meltdown-over-trump-win-insane-asylum/#%3A~%3Atext=Sunny+Hostin+blamed+“uneducated+white%2Cran+a+“flawless+campaign.”&text=Hostin+—+an+avowed+Democrat+and%2Cterms+with+Trump's+landslide+victory.
The NY Post is supermarket tabloid, you absolute fucking joke. There is zero serious conversation of “reparations” in the Democrat party.
And the only people who think anyone is blaming white people today for slavery are extremely dumb. And oddly defensive despite not being targeted.
Reparations are happening in California. The New York Post just puts facts on that article on the events that happened idk what you’re saying is tabloid.
Nazi-Germany which was and is a far-right party definitely claimed they are special. Remember the whole thing about “Aryan” race and how the others are inferior while the Aryan suppose to be superior.
Likud party from Israel which is far-right are claiming they are the superior too and that others suppose to be inferior.
AFD from Germany which leans to Nazism also claim they are the superior.
White supremacy which usually is within the far-right parties very often (if not always) lean to being “superior” over the others.
Even a quick google search would immediately show this. So where are you getting your information from or is it just your opinion?
The right is not claiming white supremacy. They are tired of being told they are inherently racist. They are tired of getting passed up on qualifications for being white vs a different race. They are tired of literally talking about race and possibly having to pay reparations for things they have not done. It’s all right there…
No evidence of your claims and thus it is your opinion and your account is 2 days old. Got it. I’ll leave the discussion.
Nerd time, but:
That’s not how it works. Opinions are subjective by definition. An assertion without evidence is not an “opinion”.
The burden of proof is in the accuser not the accused. I don’t have to provide evidence for something as asinine as saying the right is racist and full of white supremacy.
You also conveniently ignored the evidence I provided and still somehow managed to get say it was an opinion still. Your article clip just proves it was happening?
Ok man I hope you get out of your echo chamber.
Pay more attention to who you’re replying to. Your comment makes zero sense directed at me.
California is doing reparations. So tax dollars are being used to pay reparations how is that no evidence?
DEI hires happened and there was a number that companies needed to hit and other people lost out for the simple reason of race.
Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard happened so…it’s not “not happening”
I don’t care how old my account is I’m going to bring another side to the story now since you all have just heard one side for so long here.
https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/09/california-reparations-slavery-apology/
Reparations… A state that never had slaves is paying with taxes from people who never owned slaves…like it’s happening I don’t understand how you say that.
My people were slaves, where are my reparations?
Oh man, I’m exhausted of your comments.
You mentioned;
None of what you just wrote gives any evidence to your previous claims.
you’re talking about DEI as if the right wing party made that happen but it’s the opposite
The full list of US universities at risk of losing state department funding over DEI support
This is from the article above;
Keep in mind the article is from November 2025 which means the right-wing party is in charge.
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I do because usually several old days accounts are usually trolls or… like you; claiming stuff which are not (entirely) true
Like I mentioned earlier, you never gave any evidence of the claims you made before and try to change subjects (reparations, slavery and DEI). Zero mentions nor evidence about your claim of; “the far right is not racist and not white supremacy”.
So, yeah. I’m out, I’ll block you so I don’t have to see your baseless comments.
its… all in your head
California is giving reparations, the us supreme Court ruled against DEI since it WAS happening at Harvard. There’s two examples.
There are some training at work where we have to acknowledge our bias before even staring a meeting I mean it’s hilarious how you can say that.
What an odd quote.
Got any examples of liberals saying it’s not okay to be a white man?
Edit: the silence is deafening. The whole position is made up fee fees by far right agitators.
lol
Yeah that’s bs. I remember feeling like this many years ago but eventually realized it was NOT liberals making it not ok to be a white man, but the conservative picture of liberals. This is all from people in the wrong echo chamber internalizing the propaganda from the other side
So what you’re saying is that these men are stupid as shit?
In some sense, yes and that’s part of the problem. Not sure if you often talk to anyone <25 years old, but as you get older it becomes pretty obvious that they’re just not mentally or emotionally mature. It’s not their fault, the human physiology makes early life an extended formative period. They’re generally not good with nuance or introspection, that’s just how it is.
Take a girl and a boy into Twitter in the 2010s and they’re going to a wide array of diverse and complex viewpoints. The girl is immersed in #MeToo-style solidarity and relatively simple to digest slogans (pregnancy is scary and the left is pro choice, the left is pushing against toxic beauty culture, the left wants me educated and more than a housewife, etc…).
None of can really resonate the same with the boy. In fact, hyperbolic or nuanced slogans fly right over his undeveloped frontal lobe or even backfire (all men are bastards?, black lives matter?, who got cancelled for what?, no means no![usually?], etc…). That doesn’t force him into being a shitty conservative adult, but it definitely affects his politics in the same way that too-early exposure to porn affects someone’s adult sexual attitudes.
People scoff at the concept of treating men with “kid gloves”, but forget that the public internet includes kids. Dismantling the patriarchy is messy and difficult stuff, doing that in front of a generation of impressionable boys is how you end up with the graphs in the article. We’re just now seeing the first social media age repurcussions, but now imagine some younger voters where MAGA politics is the status quo…
I’m going to wholeheartedly disagree with you here. To your point I highly disagree with what you state is the cause of this issue on social media. There’s literally a billion dollar right wing indoctrination campaign targeting boys and men with facist , patriarchal and misogynistic ideology. This entire thread ignores that fact and focuses on a daytime show that almost nobody watches in the first place and is a rare open forum for women to discuss things. That show is in no way anywhere near as hateful or even comparable to what the manosphere pushes.
The Black Lives Matter and me too movements were long overdue and the backlash is very well funded by billionaires. The reason why a lot of people don’t understand why these movements are important is a failure or success of the education system depending on how you look at it. States like California have made ethnic studies curriculum mandatory (critical race theory). understanding the history of colonialists oppression and how it’s shaped societies hierarchy is essential for understanding why it’s bad for everyone and what it means to be “privileged” in a system of oppression.spoiler you’re still oppressed. that’s why right wing states have worked so hard to make sure this isn’t taught. It’s much better for the system of oppression to convince them they are the real victims in all of this so they will continue to enforce the very system that is oppressing them by oppressing those that they are being told are below them for the system. Rape and racism is an entitlement of this system of oppression. Patriarchy isn’t being dismantled it’s being restored and backed by endless money and power.
I don’t disagree that the absurdly well funded and targeted indoctrination campaign is the reason for right wing success. But I think even without that influence you’d still get a generation of “apolitical” or left-skeptic men. That was always going to be the result of any attack against the patriarchy. The inability of progressives to predict that and keep them from going farther right was a massive blunder.
Edit: This is why progressive campaigns à la Mamdani or Bernie have been incredibly popular. Inclusive policies couched alongside clear economic benefits have always been the way to capture universal support. The neo-lib Democratic establishment thought they could have their cake and eat it too by cutting out the troublesome economic half.
Ah yes calling them stupid as shit will definitely bring them back. You just proved my point.