Just created
In testing for the past year
The tech isn’t hard to copy, just had to be willing to go and do it themselves.
France has horrible laws for encryption, so how much do you want to bet this thing doesn’t have e2ee.
This is an Intel operation
This tool is developed for France’s administration, not for the public. They host the servers. So I don’t think e2ee is indeed a requirement.
Still a threat to themselves lol
Zoom has poor encryption. I has seen targeted ads a day after discussing very specific chemical reagents on zoom.
Zoom, Teams, Meet, and all the major providers do not have e2ee on by default. It’s a paid extra and almost nobody turns it on.
Mega uses e2ee by default, and it cannot be turned off.
This wasn’t built to be a great service, it was built to be a French controlled one.
Never heard about this.
France requires companies to get permission to export cryptography. They’re one of the worst countries in Europe for crypto.
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/encryption-laws/
Huh, why not just https://www.opendesk.eu/
Why didn’t they pour money on Jitsi?
European, mature, FOSS…
I fear grift is there somewhere.
Also, French engineering has a habit of turning sound concepts into messy overengineerd but underbuilt results.
The development is quite transparent. The team is looking at reduced development and more integration, so instead of “pouring money on a project”, they tried various solutions, and picked the “best one”.
One criteria was an integration with their internal communication system: Tchap, essentially a Matrix server. The Matrix video call group didn’t cut it because it requires ElementX, and apparently there are unresolved issue there (no idea if it’s the app itself or due to customization of their Matrix server). They ended up with Visio, that is not a “new” solution: it’s based on LiveKit.
Also, French engineering has a habit of turning sound concepts into messy overengineerd but underbuilt results
Any exemple ?
My guess would be that its because La Suite tries to replace all of Microsoft Office and having all the moving parts under your organisations control makes it easier to create a fully integrated office suite that offers the same UX throughout. Also Jitsi is owned by 8x8, a US company, which might have factored into the decision to create something new.
Why would they name it “Visio”? That is already the name of a different Microsoft product.
Outlook was trademarked.
Because that’s the French word for it, a visioconférence.
Cool but can it spy on workers?
Be like the French
Well, I wish you could just say that, but “the French” is not a consistent body of people.
While we have this team working on a sovereign suite, Macron is rushing a law to ban <15 years old on social network, so… they will soon require all users to provide an ID. It will have to go through a “trusted third-party”, not directly to Meta/Twitter/etc., and not to the gov directly, but we all know how much corporates and governments have been trustworthy historically. And once the data is collected, you’re just one law away from all abuse.
Needless to say that the teen will rush to VPN, so they also mentioned a potential ban on VPNs! (France would then join the short-list of great democratic VPN-banning countries: North Korea, China, Iran…)
Can we be like the Beneluxians or Scandinavians instead?
Why? Benelux and Scandinavia are completely dependent software from technofascist pedophiles and some even let these technofascists store the sensitive data of their own citizens in the US.
Anyone tried it? How is it
This is awesome!
But I am confused, isn’t github Microsoft though? Why host it there?
Because it’s free, convenient, and works. And it’s a git project so the code is already distributed, so if Trump has another tantrum and decides the EU can’t use any American tech, the deleted PRs and issues would be annoying but we’ll still have the code.
PRs and issues can be a huge part of a project
I’m sure we can all agree that they are not as important as the code, though ;)
isn’t codeberg free as well? And it’s in Germany
I don’t think anyone said or implied that there were no alternatives.
fair. Well I guess GitHub is also the most popular
I couldn’t find any particular justification going through their website and other communication, it’s not perfect but it’s probably not that big a deal for an open source project to host their code their? If I remember I’ll try to send them a message asking about it
That’s one good place I want to see tax payer money going. Would be nice if a more governments join in and make big corpo irrelevant.
So many self hosted or european choices for that and still they created a new one. Same thing with W 😒
France uses Tchap: a Matrix server, and this is to integrate a videoconf system, and it’s based on LiveKit. So they do use available solutions.
W?
W is a SWEDISH startup funded by private entities.
It has absolutely nothing to do with France, and the only link you could make here is it’s owned at 25% by a media that received subsidies from the EU, like a lot of media do, and France is part of the EU.
The startup has not been endorsed by any public entity at any level.
This is completely irrelevant.
A new microblogging service which should be a replacement for Twitter/X but with a identity verification system.
The thing I find particularly annoying about W is that they could have just forked BlueSky and set up the first serious AtProtocol federation.
that’s the french way to do things, always reinvent the wheel
Was worried they’d use it as a walled garden or a monitoring system. MIT license iirc allows forking, so at least if things go downhill, there are ways to mitigate it.
MIT is the “do whatever you want” software license, as long as you include the original copyright and license, and don’t hold the authors liable for damages.
What’s the license on Firefox and why is it so impossible to create a fork of that browser that doesn’t suck?
What’s holding you back from doing that?
Mozilla Public License, and there are a number of forks. A browser is a lot of work though.
Nothing to do with license.
Firefox is a massive piece of code and following modern browser standards is so difficult that it’s a feat for big teams of developers and no small team seems to be able to pick the pace needed.
what would you want changed
I wonder what is wrong with jitsi…
It supports e2ee, so the French government can’t listen in on the calls
It’s American.
It’s licensed under Apache license:
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You know that they could just fork it, right? Saying that “it’s american”, just causes FUD for opensource.
As others said, large meetings with many video feeds at the same time.
I believe this was mostly about stability with 100+ meeting participants. This is second hand information though.
Have you tried selfhosting it? For me, it was unusable, despite a beefy cloud server, even for just 2 people. And thats ignoring setup complexity.
This one is optimized and kubernetes ready, which makes it super easy. Will try out soon.
I was hosting it 5 years ago in a 2gb or 4gb VPS. We were able to run 1440p@120hz, if not higher, streams of our games. The server didn’t seem to care much about the load.
That’s one good place I want to see tax payer money going. Would be nice if a more governments join in and make big corpo irrelevant.
