So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?
Follow the money.
See all those billionaire tech cunts propping him up? Sanction them. Ban their software. Block their psy-op social media websites.
So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something?
Frankly? Nothing. Nothing happened after Iraq, nothing happened after Afghanistan, nothing will happen after Venezuela.
Do to the US what the US has been doing for 150 years.
Invest heavily in local anti government revolutionist organizations and support their efforts covertly. You know, like Russia and China have already been doing for 30 years.
Russia invaded Ukraine and was immediately under many sanctions. I don’t get why the world doesn’t treat the US the same way. Aside from greed.
I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.
The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.
Over time the US will grow less and less able to throw its weight around, and eventually a tipping point will be reached where picking an ideological fight with the US won’t have a major impact. That’s when the US will be stopped.
Logically that makes sense for an elongated timeline, but that also assumes the US doesn’t ramp up their actions, which sadly seems to be the case. So the question is “what then?”
Nations can’t ignore the fact that the US has one of the most active militaries in the world. Our Navy is more of less second to none and we have nukes. In the hands of a normal president, we might be fine but you sure as heck know that Trump and his Project 2025 people are just itching to launch one.
This is a situation where there are no good options. The best you can do is continue political pressure, get other nations to rally behind you in the hopes of creating a strong economic resistance.
But the real answer is that we, the US citizens, need to fucking take this country back. I hate to say it but protests simply aren’t enough anymore.
Protests would be a good start
Protests only work if the government feels beholden to its people. It doesnt. Protests arent enough.
Strikes, not protests. Put the country literally to a halt
There are protests constantly. There was a protest outside the Whitehouse the same day as the Maduro kidnapping.
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Thank God the protest people are here. They were constantly on Reddit for the last four years saying how Russians need to protest against the dictatorship. Good thing Russians heard that and had the massive protest of Bolotnaya in 2011 and endless protests in the far-east and northern regions in particular. As we know, Russia is a thriving democracy now thanks to the protests. I was wondering when USians are gonna protest away their own tsar.
also the worlds largest air force is the US air force. the second largest is the US army’s air force iirc
I seem to remember reading that the US navy comes in second (which makes sense considering that a single carrier has a larger air wing than most countries air forces) but the point still stands.
Remove the bases in europe and you can only project power with as many you can pile up on an aircraft carrier.
B-2 bombers have a huge range of 11,000 km, that’s extended further by tanker aircraft. They can strike any target in the world. They are better with a fighter escort though, that don’t have that range, and only a single pilot, shortening possible mission time.
The US also has bases around the world outside of Europe. These could be shifted elsewhere, depending on need. The American military is a phenomenal logistics machine. They can fly and ship immense amounts of materiel and can construct huge bases quickly.
There are several middle eastern and Asian countries that host large American bases. The big bases built in Europe, especially Germany act as a hub for the ones in Africa and the Middle East. A place for supplies, hospitals, training, etc. in a safe and nice place.
China is still a fair bit away from having that kind of power projection.
I think the wealthy will get US/corporate-friendly far-right governments in place in many of these countries before countries are able to isolate the US without collapsing their own economy. Seems to be the way things are going at least (far-right politics gaining support nearly everywhere).
The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.
What Mainland China is trying to do: win over countries alienated or considered hostile by the Americans.
I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.
There’s is indeed a fast and peaceful answer: vote third parties.
Doesn’t work in single vote winner-takes-all elections. You need something like RCV first
Or proportional representation, or a mixed system.
Doesn’t work in single vote winner-takes-all elections.
If a third party get 70% of the votes they don’t end up in power?
What happens in reality is they get 10% of the second most credible party and Maga wins.
In reality all parties have the same change of winning in elections.
Not in a winner takes it all.
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Look up the spoiler effect
Ah yes, because the Democrats are just as bad and would’ve done all this anyway!!! Why did nobody else think of that!!!
I don’t get you comment, the democrats are not a third party.
Remember kids, in first past the post a vote for third party is a vote for republicans.
Stop spreading non sense and propaganda.
Fucking educate yourself. This is why the world thinks Americans are fucking stupid. So many of us don’t understand basic fuckin civics like this chucklefuck right here not knowing jack shit about spoilers. Half of Americans too fuckin dumb to know they’re carrying ruspublican water.
Fucking educate yourself.
Same goes for you, educate yourself and try to write better comments
Delicious irony.
The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.
Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.
The world should at the very least be imposing economic sanctions on the US.
The EU, China and other major trading partners (many of which are EU afilliates like Japan) could cripple the US overnight by dumping american bonds and finding new trading partners. This is already happening though in a very slow way designed to minimize damage.
For starters, not relying on US payment processors.
Invading NATO territory and triggering Article 5.
WW3 fought in mainland USA…
The usa has only ever benefitted from war… once they taste it at home and have cities to rebuild, they may drop the deadly combination of chicken hawk and apathy that seems to be their take on war
My best guess is mass riots/civil war. The main reasons why it’s not happening yet are because Trump still has a good number of supporters and because Americans are - rightfully - afraid of their police (or soldiers) killing them.
Trump is steadily losing his supporters every week, and the number of people at risk of dying due to lack of food or healthcare is increasing. If your life is at serious risk anyway, might as well get a shot at a revolution. And the more people willing to do it with you, the better the chances.
However, I’m not sure how realistic this scenario is. I’m concerned that a change of government for a slightly better one may be enough for most Americans to calm down. After all, they’re very much used to being abused by their elites, whether they realize it or not.
If we’re talking war - Annexation of Greenland would probably do it.
Once you piss off enough people with allies then historically a lot of contractual responsibilities kick in… But the new playbook like what we’ve we’ve seen in Israel is "as long as nobody in government says the word ‘genocide’ we don’t have to honor our previously signed responsibility to step in so even that’s dodgy.
Once the US is seen as enough threat to the sovereignty of other nations who are just doing their own thing I think the response will kick in. Right now other countries are likely going to target the US’s pocketbook by decreeing various economic and banking sanctions and ratchet up the internal pressures. The US correcting it’s own listing ship through internal citizen lead processes is the good outcome and letting it basically fall into civil war is a more acceptable outcome than outside intervention from an international law perspective.
The US has a lot of Hard power : economic development and money, millitary might, strategic bases the world over, an uncomfortable amount of the world’s nukes and a landmass that is legit difficult to wage a war on. The bar to actually interfering directly through boots on the ground intelligence related action is really high.
Dude Not the first time US has done this.
It’s nowhere close to that level. The GOP/ MAGA has been eroding international trust in America for a while now, but realistically, everybody else is on the outside looking in, and even if America removed all women’s rights, including the right to vote, or annexed Panama, all that would happen would be strongly worded protests and further political isolation of America from the rest of the world.
Nobody wants to fight a war against the USA, and barring something cataclysmic like an invasion of Mexico, nobody wants to sanction the largest market in the world.
TL;DR: America would have to become much poorer or much weaker before anybody does anything.
