Imagine having to force yourself to chew and swallow substances because you will die otherwise.

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    Literally everything is weird in the wrong context.

    For reference just look at animals and consider octopus sex, snail sex, baby deer pooping, etc

    Also, it’s not just eating, but the mouth itself is horrific with no context. We have a wet textured hole that we use often and casually insert metal spikes into, that sits right next to out most sensitive organ (eyes) and most critical organ (brain) and to add horror to it, we also casually grow rocks in our hole to grind and rip anything we insert into it, also we early on lose these rocks just to grow bigger ones, but only once. Also we have 4 extra rocks that we really don’t want or need but we still grow them a decade or two after we are done growing rocks, and all they do it hurt us.

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    One of the strategies for long term weight loss is to swap from an interesting and tasty diet (which are often high calorie density) to one as bland and uninteresting to you as possible diet (often low calorie density). Idea being you will eat less if you are only eating to survive rather eating to enjoy, you will leave more on the plate.

    Personally I say fuck that, as life is hard enough as it is.

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          Yep. Only potatoes and salt, plus multivitamins to make up for the massive nutritional defecit, for 5 days. I was already experimenting with an elimination diet due to food allergies and a friend mentioned this week long potato diet to help reduce food cravings. Potatoes were a safe food so I thought I’d give it a try.

          It was awful. Day 4’s dinner was an entire pizza.

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            Yeah that’s not the same thing as a bland food diet, that’s up there with the cabbage diet for how awful it is.

            Mine is: Scrambled eggs made with cottage cheese + porridge for breakfast Chicken, salad (no dressing) and rice for lunch Chicken, vegetables and rice/sweet potatoes/lentils for tea

            No sauces, just dry herbs/spices as a rub.

            Snacks are two protein shakes, naked bar (counts as a one a day of fruit/veg allowance), banana.

            Repeat for past two years. Before that it was lentils, avo, boiled egg, before than goats cheese salad for lunch.

            Its boring as fuck when you do it for months at a time but it works for me. Controlling

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              Based on context clues, you’re British… isn’t the food bland enough already? I kid, I had great food over there. But, you know, take the shot when you see it.

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      The only strategy to a long term weight loss is a diet you can maintain and only eating bland food is not it. That would work if no other food was available but that is not the case.

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        Only a small percentage of people keep weight off long term, Ive seen figures around 20% so whatever works for you is the right answer but its unlikely to be the same solution for the rest of your life. Its a higher relapse rate than alcoholics.

        Speaking from experience, if you only buy healthy food it massively reduces the attack vector of unhealthy food, and by unhealthy I mean calorie dense food that leads to relapse due to its high processed sugar content.

        If I am eating clean then everybody else in the house is eating clean, its no different from an alcoholic needing no alcohol on the house. Obviously food exists outside the house as well, but its about reducing your exposure to it as much as possible, which includes avoiding majority of restaurants.

        Unless you have a problem with over consumption of food its very hard for people to directly equate it to an addiction. When people who can self regulate food intake, who have never had to diet in their life, try to give diet advice its like a fish giving running advice.

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        Not the person you’re replying to but I’m the same as them. For me it’s neither of those options. There just isn’t anything I go out of my way for. I mean sure, I have preferences like anybody else but I’m the person that can eat the same thing 10+ times in a row and that’s totally fine. It’s more or less all the same to me.

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        Nothing tastes good and never hungry

        If you watch the clip of David Lynch explaining why he eats the same thing every day, basically that, I just can’t be bothered

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          Hit the weed vape more often and you’ll get hungry, I fucking guarantee it. Especially if you make it a daily habit. I gained 50 pounds in 6 months simply by doing dabs every single day. It’s almost unbelievable how hungry you get once the munchies kick in. Makes everything fucking delicious.

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    I had a friend who pretty much only eats because he knows if he does not he will die. He is perpetually underweight. He just does not enjoy eating at all. Even foods he enjoys he hates to eat.

    Meanwhile, I am over here knowing I am full and standing in the fridge to see what I can make to eat.

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        I felt like this when I was bulking and eating healthy. Eating 5k Calories of healthy food a day is a fucking chore.

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      I know someone who has an issue with his sense of taste that most things are bland to him, so he doesn’t really enjoy eating.

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        I worked with a guy who had neck surgery that severed the nerves to his taste buds. We worked overnight shifts, and we’d save the old coffee for him because he didn’t mind the flavor of burnt coffee. There was always a pot of fresh coffee brewing and a pot of stale coffee set aside for Matt.

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            I know, the first time someone said it, he wasn’t there, and I was like… wait, are we just fucking with Matt? And everyone said no, he is a dad of young kids who does shift work. He drinks a lot of coffee (we all did, the coffee machine was perpetual employee of the month), and he prefers to have it room temperature because he won’t feel it burn his mouth. So any time a pot sat on the burner for more than a few hours, we’d dump it into Matt’s pot and let it cool.

            I always wondered if it fucked up his stomach, because I know stale coffee always gives me heartburn, but we weren’t close enough to have those conversations.

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        Happened to me with COVID, lucky i recovered in a few days and can smell and taste normally after.

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          i partially lost it from covid, but the flu in '18 made me lose my apetite for a while, it was pretty surreal to not want to eat.

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          I’m glad you got your taste back! One time I had chewed cinnamon gum all day and I guess inadvertently burned my taste buds. I couldn’t taste anything for a month or two!

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            Oh speaking of burning, having raw onions kinda burns my tongue but i can taste things more afterwards. The onion probably cleaned my tongue microbiome so i have a stronger ability to taste.

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      I would not eat nor sleep if it wasn’t mandatory. I consider both chores and waste of time.

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      I am always thinking about food. It’s horrible. I love eating. I quite enjoy cooking and baking. I’d love to trade him some of my love for his hate so we could both just have a boring healthy feeling towards food!

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      I always think to myself…

      "Cats are weird, because cats are weird. But they all have different personalities. Yet you kind of understand what a cat will or won’t do. A cat will never starve itself, because he just doesn’t like the concept of food. It may eat less than another cat. I’ve had a fat cat, and a skinny cat. The skinny cat liked eating some food when it wakes up. Then it would save half the meal until later. Well what the fat cat would do is eat all of her half, and then wait for the skinny cat to walk away. Then she’d eat the skinny cats remains. We had to start locking up the skinny cats leftover food, and put the fat cat in the bathroom before we gave the skinny cat the other half.

      Then one night the skinny cat wouldn’t eat. At all. She was sick. She died that same night. It wasn’t because she varied from other cats in her willingness to eat food. It was because she knew she was going to die.

      But then you look at humans. Humans are weird, because WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SPECIES??? Some of them are 80lbs as adults, and you can count their ribs, and they refuse to eat because they think they’re too fat.

      Then there’s others who are 700lbs, and eating whole turkeys by themselves, and afterwards claiming they’re still hungry.

      And thats just food. Humans are weird in every single way.

      One time in 2006 I was waiting outside best buy for a Wii. It’s 2am, negative 5 degrees outside, store doesn’t open until 10am.

      Guy in front of me had a tent, and an extension cord, and a tv, and a vcr, and a microwave. He had a tent apartment basically.

      So this guy is watching Jurassic Park in his tent. I can’t see it, but I can hear it. Ilove that movie. Favorite movie, and I can “see” it, just by hearing it.

      He gets to the T-Rex paddock breakout scene. THE iconic scene of the whole franchise. An iconic scene in cinema all around.

      He stops the movie there. He STOPS the movie!!! And instead plays Seinfeld episodes.

      Humans are weird.

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          You think I’m AI? You realize I’m a mod at fuck_ai, right?

          My butthole smells like fuck.

          Good luck getting an AI to say THAT! Also, please hate the wealthy. Forget racism. Forget religious divides. Forget every other social divide there is…except fuck the wealthy, free Luigi, and fuck the police.

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    My two takes on this:

    1. food is fuel

    I can and do subsist on a basic and bland diet if necessary. Food is a way to preserve my existence, so I have to eat. And when hungry I will eat anything for the sole sake of keep myself functioning. Some exceptions do apply.

    1. we’re biologically hardwired to seek pleasure from our food

    That is why sugary food and more simply fruits and berries appeal so much to us: it’s sweet, it tastes good, it’s nice.

    We actively seek enjoyement in eating. When this no longer happens, worry yourself. Even old people enjoy eating.

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      I’ve met people who claim they don’t enjoy eating and only do it because they have to. Often, they’re the same people who use that Soylent stuff. I can’t comprehend that mindset. I spend most of my day looking forward to my next meal.

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        Some company actually markets a product under the name “Soylent”?

        Scary.

        When individuals reach, in my opinion, that point they are starving for more than food.

        Food is the first basic impulse we get satisfied and it is intermixed with confort, closeness and bonding. Later it will upgrade into a communal moment and the sharing of time and exchange of experiences.

        Again, in my view, to see eating as a chore says how lonely and dehumanized a person is. How little self worth they have.

        Which is sad.

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          Yo I’m the person the one above was talking about! I was on a Soylent only* (I mean I had other food and snacks occasionally) for roughly 2 years. Lost 10 lbs (I barely had anything to lose to begin with) and stayed in excellent shape. I definitely enjoy food, but not as much as the other things I want to do (video games, movies, d&d, reading, hiking), and I’d rather down a quick shake than spend time preparing something.

          BTW Soylent is very tongue-in-cheek in their branding, of course they intended to invoke Soylent Green. As with the stuff in the book, it’s something that’s nutritionally complete that you can subsist on for 100% of your diet.

          I mean, it can be miserable after a while, and now they go with: Soylent shouldn’t replace every meal, but it can replace any meal. And it’s great! If I’m going for a run or have a busy morning, I can chug one and I’m all set. And unlike most protein bars, it’s not loaded with sugar.

          As far as the communal aspect, I was single at the time I was on that diet, but I spent most of my time hanging with my friends online (World of Warcraft and other online games). I definitely wasn’t starved for socializing, and I look back at that time as a great period of my life.

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            I’m glad to know you lived a fullfilling life at the time and it is obvious after your reply it wasn’t about you or those like you I was thinking about.

            Although I still lack the capacity to view Soilent as a good name for a brand…

            Besides some cultural differences, I respect your view. It made your life easier (still does, if I’m understanding correctly), you don’t seem a person who enjoys cooking that much (fair enough) and it freed time for things you had higher in your list of priorities.

            I can’t do that. If need be, I would, but I’d hate every single moment of it.

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              I actually do enjoy cooking! I’m usually the one preparing meals since my wife works a later shift. Nothing terribly complicated, but I do stews, stir fry, pasta, etc. I like making my own pizza dough, and I have a great pizza stone for it.

              But again, it can often feel like a chore to cook, and if my wife were more receptive to it, I’d probably rely on Soylent more. As it is, I’ll drink about one 400 calorie bottle a month if I’m busy or especially lazy.

              Soylent certainly isn’t for everyone though. It’s like a protein shake in terms of consistency. The premade flavors are pretty good, and back when I was buying the powder I was adding my own flavors (peanut butter powder was the best). But doing that for a few meals in a row really messes with you the first time. You kind of feel both full and starving at the same time.

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                Have you considered applying for a sales representative at the company? The best pitch comes from the person that knows the product, inside out.

                There is the cultural difference I can’t get past: yes, cooking may very well be a chore but I would more quickly change my entire diet than resort to substituion mixes.

                Nothing replaces the contact with real food items. The smells, the textures, the colours, the flavours. The pleasure that comes from it.

                I can be very pragmatic and utilitarian towards what I eat, borderline spartan, but a mix is not food and not even very sick I will consider it as such. It’s fuel, sustenance, not food. I could live off it but, again, I would hate every moment of it.

                I sincerely admire your apparent indiference towards relying on that mix. I would rely on it to keep me alive, in a serious emergency, sure. But as a means to get to an end, not the end itself.

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          Great point. Eating is such a large part of culture. It’s why there are countless cooking/food/travel shows out there (Bourdain being the GOAT). Anyone not participating in this collective ritual is separating themselves from a large part of society.

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            Bourdain was a genius. Controversial but they all tend to be as such.

            I agree with you. But please take a moment to consider this as well: people need time to eat. And by extension, to live. Something we are colectively slowly being drained of, through “work ethics”, “fashion trends”, “healthy life styles”, etc.

            We need to live. To eat. To sleep. To be together. To get angry with each other and make amends afterwards. And we are being robbed of our humanity by not having it.

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    All the biological processes are like that. pooping. sex. you think about sex without being horny and its like. I do that?!

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    Imagine having to force yourself to chew and swallow substances because you will die otherwise.

    How would it be different than breathing then? I don’t get actual pleasure out of breathing, but its not a chore either. If I don’t breath, I will die.

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      We get good chemicals when we get enough air. I’m quite addicted myself.

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        I’m not sure that’s true. We do get bad chemicals when we don’t breath though via CO2 build up. Isn’t that very similar to the pain response from lack of eating?

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    I guess we evolved to enjoy eating; those that didn’t enjoy it didn’t live as long

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    have ever lost your appetite from an infection, i did from the flu in 2018, it was very hard to keep eating, and it wasnt enjoyable and i would stop eating for that meal. it was a very unusual experience, since the flu was so much severe than previous ones.

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    Whenever some fundie says something about sexual education, replace it with food in the argument.

    Nutritional education should be a private matter between a parent and child.

    Teaching about food in school encourages kids to eat more food.

    We don’t make this sort of argument about literally any other subject. The very fact that they make these arguments shows they are putting sex in a special place, and will be completely incompetent at actually talking to their kids about sex.

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    Reading how Rocky eats in Project Hail Mary got me thinking on that! I wonder if aliens would find our eating disgusting or if it’s the most common way to get energy. Pretty much every life form on Earth chews food with their face then shoves it down.

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      Pretty much every life form on Earth chews food with their face then shoves it down.

      The vast majority of life forms on Earth have neither a mouth nor a face.

      There’s no good reason to think aliens would be similar to animals. they could be like plants or fungus, or something entirely new.

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      Depends on how far a species advances, I’d guess. It wouldn’t surprise me if advancements set us (and other potential life out there) on a trajectory where it’s possible to just get most nutrition needed via passive intravenous implants, maybe only with a requirement to drink water to maintain fluid balance. Or we just get to the full cyberpunk cyborg option and all you need is an occasional battery recharge or something.

      With the resources available today, mankind has the ability to solve world hunger, but that still keeps the dependency we have on various global supply lines for food. Few nations are truly agriculturally independent. Lenin once said that society is no more than three missed meals away from chaos, and I believe the only permanent solution to that issue would be if a society no longer needs to eat.