It’s become somewhat of a meme now when there is a story on crime, or other bad things happening in a city, people pipe up and say “That’s how it is in blue cities!” “This could only happen in a Democrat city!” However, I noticed they never say “… and that’s why only want to live in X” or “… that would never happen in Y”.
If living in “blue cities” are such a nightmare, where are all these Utopian “red cities” that people are apparently in favor of?
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Cities are not conducive for fascism, so fash in the USA mostly live outside of cities. They’re hoarding their stolen land and screaming into a rural echo chamber. That’s the only way they can maintain their delusions.
They are blue because studies have shown that proximity to others makes you more compassionate.
This explains the rural/city divide and why conservatives view blue cities as hell holes:
How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind
Having lived both sides, the whole thing not only resonates with me, it rings my fucking bell. If there was one article I could force all Americans to read, this is it.
Nation founded by genocidal enslavers never had a mind to lose.
Unpopular things for Republicans to hear:
- The free market crushed their industries and pressured them over seas
- Mexico is pretty much what republicans and libertarians wish they were. Particularly in the north.
No need to bring libertarians into this.
Thats a pretty good read. I often think about a lot of that. But I never come up with a way to help the rural population much. Thier way of life is dying, has been for a few hundred years. But it is still essential. They don’t like handouts or even assistance. So how do you help them?
I’d start by taking to top off Fox News and see them dance the hemp fandango. I cannot overstate how they’ve poisoned America. Had some education in journalism so I’m better tooled than most to spot media manipulation. Sure they come out with in-your-face lies now and again, but they’re mostly subtle, which is far more evil. Next, I’d go after our social media overlords. These snakes have to be decapitated, literally.
Lately I’ve thought that the best way to heal America’s rural/urban divide is to point out that the rich are fucking us. It’s not the farmer or the blue-haired girl, not the LGBT folks or gun nuts, certainly not the immigrants. If I could hammer a single message into the American zeitgeist it would be this, “The wealthy are hurting all of us. Fight them every step of the way.”
I know Bane’s the bad guy and straight psychotic, but his speech in The Dark Knight Rises makes we want to fucking cheer.
We take Gotham from the corrupt! The rich! The oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity, and we give it back to you… the people. Gotham is yours. None shall interfere. Do as you please. Start by storming Blackgate, and freeing the oppressed! Step forward those who would serve. For and army will be raised. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure. Courts will be convened. Spoils will be enjoyed. Blood will be shed. The police will survive, as they learn to serve true justice. This great city… it will endure. Gotham will survive!
There is no hope until the rich live in fear of the masses.
remmeber than bane trapped everyone in gotham regardless of their financial status and was going to blow them all up with a nuclear explosion
Well, I did note that he was psychotic.
its not that he’s crazy, he is just lying
I know Bane’s the bad guy and straight psychotic, but his speech in The Dark Knight Rises makes we want to fucking cheer.
Wft… Bane is a working class hero, and this gives you power over me
I’d also like to point out that the joker burned a pyramid of money. A deflationary move that helps ordinary Americans. What did he get for his efforts? A billionaire takes it upon himself to beat him up.
To people from small towns, everyone in a city is ‘wealthy’, they must be to afford the insane cost of living right? But thats part of the problem. They don’t realize the people spending $2500 a month on rent are spending 80% of their paycheck, or that they can’t build any savings or eger hope to own a house or even a car because of it. They make no distinction between the actual rich people who live in cities and everyone else, and the state of America right now IS them fighting back against the ‘rich’. Until these people understand the orders of magnitude the people actually fucking us are over the rest of us i don’t know what can be done. To them anyone with a college degree is a wealthy elite.
This in mind, why isn’t Trump a wealthy elite to them? How did he become their savior??
Trump speaks plainly, at a 4th-grade level. Obama spoke at 9th-grade level. Trump makes them feel smart, Obama made them feel stupid. Especially coming from a buh-lack man! The audacity of that <radio edit>!
This post hits in a way I hadn’t quite figured out to myself. No wonder they still buy into the welfare queen thing. I’ve got to think on this a bit, woke me to a thing I hadn’t considered.
To expand on what @emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com is saying, I live rural because I don’t make enough to live in the city. My town is rapidly gentrifying and I might not afford to live next to cows any more pretty soon. City folk spend more on rent than I make in a month.
A lot of our ‘welfare queen’ perspective is colored by the fact that tax-funded services are usually concentrated in the city. I keep petitioning my county transit authority for better rural bus service, but the best they can do is make the city bus lines run every 15 minutes instead of every half an hour. Meanwhile, I’m paying uber $50 just to get to a doctor’s appointment and wait to catch a ride home when a friend gets off work. Food costs more for worse quality in rural areas, so food stamps don’t go as far as they would in the city. Welfare in the city feels like you could live like a queen off it. It’s not entirely true, because the amount you get is scaled to income, but per dollar, you do get more for your welfare in cities.
There’s also that city dwellers can get really nasty about rural folk. I’ve never voted for a republican in my life, but living out here makes people assume the worst of me. I get told that living rural means I’m a bootlicking hick that’s too stupid to know what’s good for me, so it’s hard to sell that they deserve sympathy and we don’t.
I’m sure these services are a big part of it - you can’t see all the poverty assistance spread out across a wide rural region but you can see there’s no bus service.
Certainly some services only work with higher population densities, but that’s why some of us prefer cities. Rural areas have advantages too, but either way is a compromise. We each made a choice where to live.
But turn this back to what would you do? As a liberal elite urban snob, i freely agree that my ideas are not likely to work well: maybe you don’t want internet service, education, connectivity to the modern world, infrastructure, fine. But im trying and i dont know what else to try. Step up and propose something. I don’t have any say for your county but if you say you need rural bus service, I’m all for that. And I’ll go further and say we should fund intercity rail, and rural bus service to all the towns it passes, to open more of the world to both of us. Stand up, tell us what you need, and you just might get it and more …. It’s not charity it’s a pooled resource making life better for us all.
This article pisses me off a bit, because it does seem likely, but there is no one that people on the left like, who is so corrupt, spiteful, narcissistic, destructive as Trump. We’d never vote to tear everything down, including the democratic traditions that are the foundation of our society. Plus if your strength and independence is so core to your self-image, where is it? Voting for a tantrum to knock everything off the table is no one’s idea of strength. Instead of denigrating what other people try to do for you, stand up and tell us what you need. Make a proposal we can all get behind. A big difference this article misses is that we want the best for you and will act to improve your life if you meet us half away, we have the entire resources of the country pooled to help all of us, where rural MAGA voted for lashing out, for hurting people
As a middle-aged, white, gun nut in the South, I’m definitely not feeling that urban liberals want the best for me. I’m liberal to the left of Obama, many of us are! But social media tells me I’m a racist cunt who should die in a fire.
maybe you don’t want internet service, education, connectivity to the modern world, infrastructure, fine
Okay, this is one of those weird assumptions that people have about rural folk that I do not understand. Why does everybody assume that the 2k people living in my town don’t want any of that stuff? It’s one of the barriers I keep running into with the bus service, y’all city folk assume that we don’t want it even though we’re asking for it.
Plus if your strength and independence is so core to your self-image, where is it? Voting for a tantrum to knock everything off the table is no one’s idea of strength.
My town went blue. Most of my neighborhood are noncitizen farm workers who couldn’t vote at all. Assuming all rural areas are stereotypical alabama is frankly insulting. You get a pass, because you don’t live up here, but it’s infuriating when I hear the same bullshit coming out of locals followed with “that’s why I voted against the rural school levy, they don’t deserve it”.
A big difference this article misses is that we want the best for you and will act to improve your life if you meet us half away
Except that’s not showing up in any real way. For example, I’m currently looking at the worker retraining programs, and the closest one is 70 miles away. Why should I not complain about that?
where are all these Utopian “red cities” that people are apparently in favor of?
They do not and can not exist. Conservatism is an antisocial and anti-intellectual, authoritarian ideology. This pretty much rules it out of success in most conventional metrics.
the funny thing is… getting people to live closer together encourages empathy.
living in the middle of nowhere reduces empathy… this is why people living in bumfuck are empathy-lacking tools calling themselves ‘conservatives’
I was biking a dirt road near my rural neighborhood and saw a sign at somebody’s driveway that said “if you can read this you’re within range” and wondered how country folk got the stereotype of being friendly and kind. I really miss living in the city.
propaganda from the movies and shows. probably they need economic businesses to thier area, so they make up an image so people would go there, but NOT LIVE THERE. Yellowstone being one of those shows, and many other shows make reference of “southern hospitality”
Southern hospitality is just using polite language to be an asshole.
It seems like a lot of the time they are like “boy, crime is higher”… but if you live in a city that’s just a fact of life. It’s pretty obvious that there will be less crime out in the sticks. I wouldn’t really attribute this to any “blue” policies.
It’s usually lower per capita. Right wing media likes to report in nominal numbers, because have 10 crimes sounds like a lot more than 2 crimes. But when you see it’s 10 out of 1000 (1%) people vs 2 out of 50 (4%) it doesn’t look as good.
Per capita is always the way to go, otherwise the only cities considered free of crime would be the nearly deserted ones in the Midwest with 100-500 people.
Part of “less crime in the sticks” is a population effect. The rate of violent crime in New York City is 494/100,000 people. The rate of violent crime in the whole state of Alabama, from its stickiest sticks to the 225,000-resident Huntsville metropolis, is 404/100,000, which isn’t that different, in my book.
I suspect that’s just because of Birmingham, and possibly Mobile. They have pretty bad crime rates, and Birmingham is the state’s main “blue city”, at least based on how counties voted in the 2024 election.
Birmingham had a violent crime rate of 1440 per 100k, making it one the worst cities in the nation for violent crime.
Mobile had a crime rate of 825 per 100k. Mobile’s county was slightly red in the 2023 election.
Meanwhile Huntsville (who was slightly red in that same election) had a violent crime rate of 133 per 100k, and has been proudly claiming a 100% arrest and conviction rate for homicide cases. So to answer @yarr@feddit.nl’s question, I guess Huntsville is an example of a successful “red” city (although it may be less successful in coming years due to Trump’s NASA cuts).
Rural Alabama (excluding counties that were classified as metropolitan) had a violent crime rate of 248 per 100k, making it less safe than Huntsville but far better than the state average of 494 per 100k.
I’m not going to actually claim that the crime rate is just from politics, Huntsville has a big aerospace industry and it’s probably more of an education/class thing than anything else. But regardless those are the violent crime rate numbers for 2023, so feel free to draw your own conclusions.
100% arrest and conviction rate doesnt really mean anything. Sounds like theyre just arresting whoever and corrupting the jury to convict. Iirc only about 1/3 homicides are solvable?
https://www.al.com/news/huntsville/2022/07/no-homicide-case-went-unsolved-in-huntsville-in-2021.html
Here’s an article on it, it was actually in 2021 (where the rest of the data was from 2023) so the 100% rate probably isn’t the case anymore. Basically they attribute it to having a really low base crime rate compared to other cities, saying that it frees them up to give a lot of attention and resources to each one.
I live in Huntsville. We are not a red city. Best description would be a blue oasis surrounded by red.
NASA is a conspiracy to get smart people to move to the south
We also see that rural crime is undercounted, underreported. Many studies show that (sometimes) rural areas have more crime. Of course it varies by time and location and depends how you define everything.
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Uh oh! Don’t tell the reds that.
ive seen some ytubers kept parroting that, california and nyc specifically. they have no minds of thier own.
I wouldn’t say there is less crime out in the sticks. But there’s less detected crime out in the sticks.
Not saying you’re wrong, because I believe I’ve seen patterns like this (but can also think of quite a fee counter examples). But do you have any evidence for this, or is it just a hypothesis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban–rural_political_divide
the empathy is an inference from a documentary i saw where people have had some success in rural communities changing hearts and minds by befriending them. it turns out its easy to lack empathy for people youve never associated with and you have always been told are less than yourself.
Kind of a big statement to make based entirely on vibes.
It’s the opposite in Sweden. Countryside leans left and cities lean right.
i think there are different socioconomics in play in sweden. lots of real immigration management issues unlike the united states made up ones.
also, sweden is more than an order of magnitude different in size (< 5% actually) of the unites states. ‘rural’ sweden isnt the same thing as ‘rural’ US.
also, i doubt the swedish rednecks are thirsty to get back to their slaving roots.
Make Sweden (pre-christian) Viking Again!
The trend has been true for longer than the last 25 years, well before the current immigration crisis.
The alternate explanation is that the party or parties that has the most pro rural policies eg. farm subsidies are popular among the rural people and vice versa.
and alot of people that live in the moutains are “cray cray” there was a post/thread on reddit where vairous people accounted men in the woods that were not right in the head, in large numbers.
Successful red cities? You can have either, but not both.
Staying afloat using tax dollars from blue states
Welfare queens.
Those cities and states should have a work requirement and random drug tests.
Cities make more money than farms. Shocking stuff
States aren’t cities.
*the Vatican, crying in the corner*
I did think about them. Monaco too, is in a similar spot. And even our own Washington D.C. has a special status
Singapore patting it’s back
Yeah, and…? Doesn’t invalidate their point. They’re still correct.
Red cities are typically found in Red states.
Well there’s Dayton Ohio which is a successful red city if you look at how they vote and literally nothing else. Jesus fuck their crime rate says magnificent things about the democrats
With the new gerrymandering 2.0 Ohio is proposing, soon all of their cities will be “red” (on paper)
Wish there was a requirement that all districts be rectangular or triangular. That would make gerrymandering more difficult to arrange.
There are some mathematical models similar to a Voronoi diagram, which would make districts convex polygons.
Why even propose it? It’s illegal. They know its illegal. We know it’s illegal. The courts know its illegal, and the courts won’t stop it
This one?
That’s Texas…?
Gerry Madarin
Pretty sure Dayton started very blue
Yeah i grew up in the area. It changed alongside ohio
Right here. Scroll down for the list of cities most people are moving to. They’re all red. (Or, charitably, blueish spots surrounded by red.)
People must be moving there for some kind of reason. There’s jobs. They’re safe. They have stuff to do. Some kind of reason.
blueish spots surrounded by red.
That’s the point tho. Fash don’t live in cities. It disturbs their wacky ideology with humans and reality. Fash stay out in the burbs or farther with their privilege and delusions.
But still, the cities on the list are all cities in red states. That’s weird.
As someone living in a red state, every city here is referred to as a “blue city”, whether people are moving to it or not. State color has shit all to do with it and tends to be how much did we make the assumption land votes.
Myrtle Beach is on that list. People are moving there for the meth and racism.
Forgot to add, these cities are hot moving target cause housing is cheap. They are popular with the wealthy leaving cities and moving to lower CoL areas. It’s not cause they are safe or have jobs. They are affordable compared to bigger cities.
Hmm. That’s an interesting theory.
I live in one of the cities on that list. It is definitely a thing. People can move here and pay cash for homes, after selling their homes in an extremely high COL area.
But this city isn’t a red city by any means. It’s just another blue city in a red state. Which a lot of the ones on that list are.
Not really a theory, when it’s been proven true. Many retirees are moving to low CoL areas because their social security and or retirement funds can’t keep up. Lower income people will move if they are able to.
There are jobs that pop up in these areas, but on average the income is significantly less. For example Tennessee will pay new grad nurses $22 an hour. That’s one of the lowest wages for a bedside nurse. Not enough to live in the city where a hospital is located. I think it was Alabama that passed a state law that prohibited cities from raising the minimum wage for jobs in the city. Jobs in most of these areas pay poverty wages.
I used to live in Florida and when looking at the average the CoL is lower than my new state Oregon. Yet after moving and living here for a year I pay less on car and home insurance, property taxes, and no sales tax. Sure I might pay a tiny bit more in income tax but my salary is 30% higher for the same job. My wife’s is 45% higher for the same job.
Not to mention “average” means nothing when rural hick areas are lowering the entire state. Many parts of Florida have a higher cost than most other cities.
I clicked through and had to go to a second linked article(!) for the top 5. The #1 is “Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, Texas”, which is pretty much a blue city now.
This doesn’t really support your claim that “they are all red”. Also, we call a “blueish spot surrounded by red” a blue city.
From what I am learning about in this thread is there isn’t really the idea of a “red city”, so when people talk shit about “blue cities” they are just talking about city life in general. There does not appear to be any very large cities filled with Republicans.
I guess. I still think there’s a difference between DFW and, say, the Twin Cities. You won’t catch me living in Texas.
There’s jobs. They’re safe. They have stuff to do. Some kind of reason.
Nah, it’s just more affordable than most of the major cities up north. As someone who’s lived in Dallas/Fort Worth, it’s definitely not the safest place I’ve lived. It’s ranked moderate/high in violent crimes on a national scale.
As far as Texas goes, San Antonio and Austin have a lot more to do than Dallas and especially Fort Worth. I wouldn’t really even say there’s a really competitive job market outside of oil and grass. Most of the people who recently moved to the area did so after work from home became normalized.
It’s really just because it’s a larger city that people can still afford to purchase a home in, and that’s about it.
From what I’ve noticed, cities tend to be more liberal than rural areas. I can’t think of a major city off the top of my head that is a republican stronghold. I’ve got to go to work but I found these two links which may help.
https://townsoftheusa.com/most-conservative-cities-in-usa/
https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/15-most-conservative-major-cities-in-the-united-states-883419/
Miami, maybe. But I think they’re still pretty left in comparison to the Rest of Florida
Miami has its share of violent crime, doesn’t it?
Absolutely, thats something you get with population centers, but I think they’re farther right politically than most major US citites.
So next time someone trots out the “life in blue cities is hell…” sounds like I can just bring up Miami
I don’t know that Miami is a “red city,” it’s just not completely blue because of the Cuban population.
The first one in the first link is Provo, Utah which is the fourth largest city in Utah.
And Utah is the thirtieth most populous state.
That second website is horrible on a phone.
From what I’ve found, if we’re going by population, then Jacksonville, Florida seems to be the largest red city.
I think San Antonio is about as red as it gets for a city its size
Salt Lake City obviously but that’s a different story
And to be clear, San Antonio may be more red leaning, but is not red still.
Houston is as well considering it’s massive but full of mostly sprawled suburbs and tons of oil people or friends/relatives of oil people.
Houston suburbs would not be red if they weren’t gerrymandered to fuck
Eh, you’re probably right, but I also know a lot of people from various Houston burbs and they all lean right/MAGA, so I’ve got some observational bias going on too
Miami and Saint David, UT come to mind. Outside the US though, lots of the Balkan major cities are much less liberal than western cities.
Miami is purple at least. The old guard Cubans are Republicans, the last governor race not so representative. St. George in Utah is really nice, though maybe a town more than a city.
Tampa is nice but all of our potentially fixable problems are from the conservative outlying areas, as so much of the government is county not city. it would be much nicer with more money going to transit in particular.
I spent 3 weeks in Thonotosassa in 2015, and Jesus Christ was downtown Tampa sad. It just was devoid of any culture or any reason to be down there. The Columbia Restaurant and Ybor City walk was fire though and made up for it a little bit; it just wasn’t enough to make up for the rest of the city being dreary.
Well yes, it has come a long way in the past few years. I used to get so mad because we are a better city to live in but St. Pete’s downtown knocked it out of the park, absolute gem of a downtown and ours sucked.
But ours has gotten so much livelier, it’s not just the Tampa Theater and convention center and the Hub, there are a bunch of apartments downtown, the kids of the Columbia people opened a really good restaurant, the city built a much better Riverwalk, there are people out in the nights, concerts, events, it’s completely different.
BTW, when I was growing up we would go downtown on the weekend and it was an absolute ghost town, we wandered the empty streets and made up stories about the buildings. And you could buy houses in Tampa Heights for almost nothing, now they are millions of dollars.
Thonotasassa still sucks
Balkan? The countries that were drawn into a brutal civil war by right wing pieces of shit and are still trying to recover from the bloodshed and brain drain? Those Balkan cities?
No need to be racist
Miami only recently turned right wing.
Miami was never liberal. It was always a sort of libertarian with certain key issues like anti communism, pro masculinity, pro protectionism, pro small government. We saw them swing right in 2024, but if those were major issues in past elections, we would’ve seen a red Miami sooner. Miami is full of people that have an attitude problem imho.
How do the violent crime rates compare?
Miami is Miami, St David is probably one of the safest cities in the country. It’s the Mormon college town home to Brigham university.
A small town, or a suburb of a city that is described as “a great place to raise a family”. From what I have seen, that usually means one of two things:
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The town/suburb is closer to the city, but is wealthy, real estate is expensive, usually very car-centric, which excludes anyone poor (or even middle class, sometimes).
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The town/village is far away from the nearest city, not necessarily wealthy, but usually ran by a group of people that know each other (good old boys club), probably heavy on religion or other “traditional” values.
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Did anyone else thought about cities with communist mayor when reading about red cities?
Yes the whole red<->blue political spectrum swap in the US is confusing sometimes for us non-US.
Makes sense with horseshoe theory. Red for authoritarians no matter left or right. Red is a warning.
Springfield, Missouri, apparently.
