I notice this especially with my Norwegian learning. People are rude, call me names, or make fun of me on Reddit for using the wrong word or “en” vs “et” or using a direct translation because I don’t know how they say it in Norwegian, like saying somethng like «Ingen av bedriften din!» instead of «Dette er ikke din sak» (according to the casual version of Bing Translate) whereas a Norwegian-speaking Fediverse member would just say something like “You’re doing good, but it’s actually _____.”
1 . The extra steps to find a fedi instance and create a new account is usually too tedious for the post-first-think-later kind of guy.
2 . The like/dislike function are present, but the lack of shitty function like karma, medals etc. don’t push the users in some kind of frenzy “contest” where copy-pasted crap or Ai-slop flood the platform.
3 . The flow of new contents is too slow to encourage doom-scrolling types. The users who stays more of a week are usually people interested in discuss things and actually “read” other comments.
I think some bots are trained to be controversial and mean. Controversial take would be that age verification roots out the young pranksters from certain communities.
Not disagreeing with the other comments here but I’d add that hostility breeds engagement, and for sites like Reddit, engagement equals more time spent on the site and more opportunities to serve ads.
Whether intentional or not, the algorithms push more aggressive/rude/hurtful comments to the top. Reddits business is making money off you while lemmy is just there. I expect that accounts for some of what you see
I think it has to do with community size. Even on reddit, the smaller and more insular communities are much more pleasant than the frontpage ones.
I totally feel this among small communities too. If you’re gonna be scathing and demeaning in a small community, you’re gonna run out of people to talk to real fast
yep the smaller subs feel like a whole different website. The main pages have so much political doom and rage bait in my experience.
I found that you get the biggest upvote response when you are either edgy or more black and white takes. Medium takes may be both more correct and nicer overall, but they don’t get the most engagement. I would find that after I had a “big comment” that did well, I would make edgier comments for a while after, chasing that high.
That’s not so much a problem here since a thread doesn’t have thousands and thousands of comments or is flights against for attention. Typically I read all the comments on a Lemmy post. Doing the same on Reddit would both suck away my time and my soul, haha.
It depends on your communities. There are plenty of proudly toxic people on the fediverse.
There’s plenty of rude people here are you kidding? People are rude to me just because I’m on lemmy.ml lmfao…
As long as you’re not a tankie!
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I meant less rude but I understand… that sucks so hard though 😭
honestly I spent most of my time on reddit on specific communities and people were generally nicer when gathered about a particalur topic like an mmo or an rpg system. So can’t say I encountered all that many bad reddit folks.
Probably just the law of large userbases. The more people around, the more rude people there are likely to be. Rude people are always a minority, but they tend to be more vocal.
A large portion of fediverse users have abandoned Reddit for moral or ethical reasons. So while occasionally people will be rude here, it tends to skew more towards polite discussion.
Large userbases, and the “somebody is wrong on the internet” effect. If we like something we see we’ll possibly like/upvote it and move on with our life, if we see a problem we’re far more likely to jump on and interact. So a hundred people might read something and be neutral towards it, and it’s enough to have one asshole react poorly to ruin the mood completely.
The same dynamic works for reply guys, and sadly the fediverse is in no way immune. But hopefully there are more people on here who are aware that it’s a community building exercise, and who make an effort to leave a positive footprint. :)
I’ve had a couple interactions that left me feeling pretty meh. Idk.
People tend to be assholes. The more people in one place, the lower the chance of nobody being an asshole, and it does usually only take one. Then you add the karma system, which causes people to perform for the internet points. It’s not just people being a natural asshole for any number of reasons: people also reward the wrong things such as asshole behavior, Redditsplaining, zingers and stupid cringeworthy clichés. The karma factor is lower here, but still a thing.
Sadly i think thats just people. Ive also seen it on smaller places like here on lemmy
Redditeers are the bottom of the barrel.
I’m pretty sure the ratio of rude people in the entire user base isn’t the same when comparing the two platforms, so that plays a role too. However, I think it’s mostly a numbers game. Even if that ratio was the same, a bigger platform automatically means that you’re going to bump into a lot of rude people there. Think of it like this: If the ratio is just just 1%, that’s 1 in a small place and 100 in a big one.
On top of that, people tend to remember negative encounters very well. Even if you got only 1 nasty comment, it’s going to sting. If you got 100 comments like that, you’ll feel like the whole world is out there to get you. The human mind has this strange bias towards negative reactions.
Cultures/conventions are assumption-rivers, aka “religions”.
Toxic-culture’s a habit, an ideology, a “religion”, a self-reinforcing-feedback-mechanism, & a kind of “food” for ones who want that particular substance.
Once entrenched, it’s nearly-impossible to change a culture.
Chaning a culture generally requires focus+action both at the top AND grass-roots.
Without both, nothing’ll change, usually.
( without grassroots, nothing’ll change, no matter what the leader wants/does )
& Reddit’s CEO has paid himself $1/8B IN A SINGLE YEAR, while Reddit wasn’t in profit, so DarkTriad’s their corporate-culture, fersure, in my opinion.
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Keep in mind that nice people have learned their lesson. Most people don’t take critique kindly, especially when it comes to grammar. And it’s often best to just keep your mouth shut, and worry about your own problems.
