me watching the constant mill of fediverse drama between hexbear/piefed/world/dbzer0 from a tiny irrelevant instance
Does your instance have open signups? I’m pretty tired of the assumptions people make about me due to db0
Can join ours. Not small, but completely neutral - no drama, no defederation, no prejudice towards the users.
Personal choice is paramount here. Crafted with love, peacefully housing people all across the political spectra.
i would join but i’m a fucking drama magnet. like, i can read a book in the back seat of my car and if anyone is going to get hit and runned in the parking lot, it’s me.
Ah, drama I’m not chronically online enough to understand.
Don’t you understand, the Fediverse is serious business!
Apparently there was an argument that resulted in piefed mods banning all leftists instances, including myself…
Ah, so basically the same problem there is on Reddit with power-tripping mods that manage several subreddits.
At least it’s federated so being banned in one instance and its communities doesn’t keep you from joining or making similar communities in your own instance, or joining a different instance
I got banned from memes.ml cuz I kept saying how fucking stupid some of the shit they said was
yeah same. got banned for a few and decided it was actually quite nice then set up an instance block for .ml.
real leftists aren’t bootlickers for anyone.
unless it was on a different account i don’t think you got banned at all. i see one comment that got removed for ‘be respectful’ cause you were saying that peoples view on china was without nuance and a sub-middle school orientation. essentially showing up to argue against a caricature.
I got banned from Some science memes communality because I made a racist joke
We are not the same
You can’t debate a takie. Debating them is like hitting a head against the wall. The best you can do is to purge them out
i loved how all i have to do is read the modlog for people talking about wanting to ‘purge’ ‘takies’[sic] and it’s shit like this:
Yeah. They disagreed with me, so labeled me as Nazi transphobe and removed posts/banned me immediately. This is tankie mentality. There’s no point in arguing with them
Shocking: Person saying trans people dont exist gets mad when they get called a transphobe.
these aren’t even ‘tankie’ instances and i can see your transphobic comment right there in the modlog.
“Woke stuff doesn’t sell” = Transphobe
Yeah sure.
actually i meant this one:
also here’s you shittalking after renee good got executed; fuck ice and you’re clearly on their side
@Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com this is the kinda person you have agreeing with you about how bad ‘takies’ are
I literally do not give a shit about your opinion, nor the other dude’s opinion that you drudged up. @ing me in this is pathetic.
not as pathetic as making multiple posts crying about getting a 24 hour ban (it expires in an hour) for posting low-effort bait.
i’m just highlighting that some of the people eagerly supporting you ‘owning the tankies’ are pro-ice transphobes, talking about wanting to purge them.
if you actually care about authoritarianism i’d expect you to be a little more concerned about those sort of people surrounding you.
actually i meant this one:
So am I allowed to say that there are only two genders or not? The whole thing is obviously relating to JKR and backlash after what she said. Are you people that dense?
also here’s you shittalking after renee good got executed; fuck ice and you’re clearly on their side
Did she not barricade the way with her car? Did she not try to escape almost running over the ICE guy?
And assuming ICE is full Nazi: Tell me is it smart thing to come swinging against fully armed SS? Yes or NO. Very simple question.
Yes or NO. Very simple question.
i’m not here to debate you about how much people should respect the gestapo, officer
Or become the wall they hit their heads against
True. It’s actually insane how they’re utterly convinced they’re right, while at the same time, they’re unable to process certain information at all.
So wait, a guy who sucks made a thing I don’t use and if I complain about him he’ll ban me from using it?
That’s a long road to a big pile of “who gives a fuck?”
and these are the same people mad over rimu blocking and banning tankies from piefed. i look at all those posts why he was banning people.
Its working guys. The decentralization is working. I for one think its amazing that we’ve created these little social medias to fight like Pokémon and nobody can stop us.
It is in-fact working. No one is banned by their own instance for aligning with their opinion. If they are banned by a different instance, they can create their own community in their instance. Block them, block their instance, do fuck all to never hear from them again.
I know there are a lots of shills from mothership throwing shade on decentralization but this is what actual “freedom” on the internet is like that hasn’t been around since forums disappeared.
If this ain’t for you. GTFO.
A wild lemmygrad appears.
Which instance do you choose as counter?Uses ban move, protects from criticism.
I’ll trade you a shiny piefed.zip and one of my quokku’s for it. Tryna complete my lemmydex.
hahaha
I actually don’t think the Lemmy Platform decentralization is working at all. This is evidenced by the fact that several times the tankie lemmy devs have pushed a top of the site banner to beg for donations to help run Lemmy ml, and most instance owners admit they’re not equipped to audit the code and remove it.
I think Piefed is a superior solution for that reason.
Piefed has its share of problems, I wouldn’t argue they’re better. Or at least not better enough to warrant a migration
Need to nuke mods all over. Go to 100% community ownership. Why the fuck any lefty accepts mods is beyond me.
Not every person can handle the responsibility of the power to push any content to anyone and everyone, thus mods were born out of necessity. Without them the communities you like would be spammed with at best AI scams begging for money and at worst CSAM so as to make it unusable by the people who disagree with your community.
However, you’re 100% able to buy your own hardware, launch your own instance, and start your own community, just as everyone else is.
No. Mods were born out of corporate and political interest to control mass media. Nothing more. Mods are there to convert digital spaces to align with their interest. They’re there to prevent people from actually forming another Egyptian spring, wiki leaks, anonymous or anything that could disrupt the current power structure.
How would you handle the CSAM issue though?
Few years ago it was an issue since someone spammed CSAM that it got federated to multiple servers and it took concentrated effort from community mods and instance admins to solve the issue.
Automation plus mods are there to handle CSAM. Mods should be a nuclear option. But again give communities more control. Mods are not uphold an ever growing list of vague rules like cops who arrest and beat citizens for “resisting arrest”. It’s a system of abuse.
But ask yourself who has massive amounts of CSAM to randomly post across the internet to force an expansion of measure and control. Sounds a lot like something we know governments do.
For decade I’ve heard this defense that if mods weren’t there, we’d have CSAM in every corner of the internet. Much like if we didn’t have American military invading rural villages and dropping bombs on schools then we wouldn’t have any freedoms.
Look at reddit. We only found out a little bit of who mods were. Some were powerful people. Some were just marketing teams. It’s control. If you’re all leftist and you support mods you’re a class traitor.
The admins should have a choice in the banner, but each Lemmy instance is also using that software for free and should, in the spirit of Floss, give back. Thats really all I’ll say about that because I’m not an admin nor am I a dev for either software.
Nah, fuck Tankies.
Tankies deserve $0. Tankies should have to pay the rest of us reparations for all the propaganda they try to shove down our throats.
Tankies would convince you and everyone in the west to murder our entire families in the night if they could. They are the enemy, they hate all that is good and just in the world, all they know is war and submission.
…they are the enemy, they hate all that is good and just in the world, all they know is war and submission
I don’t think even Trump supporters are that horrible people. At worst, tankies are falling for Russian/Chinese/etc… propaganda, possibly due to overcorrecting from American propaganda. None of us are immune to propaganda.
Tankies are just MAGA after their regime takes root. What the CCP does to Uighurs and Tibetans is what Trump WISHES he could do. China and Russia are constantly trying to expand borders. They’re a threat to continued life on this earth, they hate us, and they’re spending massive amounts of money to spread propaganda and do us as much harm as possible.
If you want evidence of that, just look at how TikTok, a Beijing run military psyop, did everything in its power to reelect Trump in 2024 by voluntarily turning off services and blaming the Biden admin, then turning back on to thank him after the election. Trump was the Russian and Chinese backed candidate.
I think we might be having a misunderstanding. I thought of “tankies” as denizens of lemmy.ml and similar places, likely not even being Russian or Chinese themselves or living there.
I’m pretty sure you are right about Chinese and Russian imperialism. However, the average person anywhere is not a knowing supporter of imperialism themselves… that’s where propaganda comes into play.
I chill with the bears all day and nobody says that. You seem to be extremely reactionary to that ideology and I think you should step back and look at how polarized you are. It can’t be a healthy mindset. I mean you immediately responded like this and downvoted me for saying something pretty benign from a software development angle.
For a mental exercise, you oppose ethnic cleansing of muslim groups such as the genocide in Gaza and Lebanon, right?
You’re gonna wrap this back around to China and the Uyghurs like I’m in love with China or some shit, aren’t you?
Correct.
You’re one of the most diligent apologists for the netanyahu/biden/harris administration.
I’ve never apologized for Netanyahu, I’ve been insulting that pos for like 2 decades.
Also, this you?
“Since you’re going to assume in the worst possible faith that I didn’t vote for harris unless I say this first, I voted for harris.”
lots of little islands of censorship
great
You’re right we should all just go back to the centralized mainland of censorship
medias
That’s already plural. It’s like a hat on a hat.
Ahem…
I may not always fail to properly trigger transparency but when I don’t, I’ll don’t it in style.
Can we please make it be “social’s media”?
Like attorneys general
I can’t say\read\type media without hearing “medias” in a 2 IQ southern american accent. Sorry.
oh no a 24 hour ban!
idk how this is hypocrisy, you got plenty of responses for some of the lowest effort trolling i’ve seen
oh no a 24 hour ban!
So they didn’t do the worst censorship they could possibly do. But it is still censorship.
I know, it’s absolutely tragic, the sacred flame of truth extinguished by the sinister, authoritarian mods, controlling the unwashed masses of users by keeping them ignorant of such enlightened comments as, “lol hexbear sux.”
it was a joke, as is calling a 24h ban for intentional trolling ‘censorship’
And yet here you are, continuing to take the bait. Y’all just can’t help yourselves 😂
banning someone for 24h for obvious trolling is way less authoritarian than whatever rimu’s up to
Posting this image on a reply that you weren’t involved in is the funniest projection possible
Man I have no idea wtf is going on inside that head of yours, but I’m glad you’re having fun with whatever the fuck this is.
Lemmy is a lot weirder of a place when you start to realize instances are like virtual nation-states and the admin teams are ALL despotic auth-rulers with the temperaments of toddlers.
I feel like this is an overly extreme take. Coming off of being on reddit for years I am astounded on a day to day with just how much I can actually get away with saying on Lemmy and expressing myself here. I find myself continuously reflecting on the fact that even in my most liberal (in the literary sense) takes with others, I’m still holding back, sugarcoating, or discounting things as “worth saying” at least 30% of the time. I don’t know what’s going on over on piefed, but Lemmy as a whole has been the opposite of authoritarian censorship for me. I’ve never felt more outspoken in an online presence.
the astronaut meme but its ‘wait that is how almost everything ever has worked this whole time?’
lemmy just fundamentally attempts to accept that that is basically how people work, when you boil things down and remove the rationalizations, and tries to provide mechanisms to manage this somewhat less insanely.
For real. I can’t even keep up with what db0’s weird ass mod stances are. I just wanna look at memes and chat with people
db0 seems fixated on complex governance arrangements. We get it. You’re an anarchist. Amazing.
I’m not even an anarchist, I just wanted a somewhat populated instance with less down time than world. The political ideation of the more hardcore members of db0 certainly seems like a pipedream more than a realistic plan for government (or lack thereof). But hey, I’ll take hate for consolidated political power over bootlicking any day.
anarcho-pragmatism, lol
this shit seems to suck at least a little bit less than most other shit, therfore, join the anarchist instance
unironically i love this
I agree, but thats not really what im getting at.
Theres this Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla which is supposed to be like an alliance of instances with shared rules and commitments and whatever. It just seems completely unnecessary to me.
Its like… 5 people catch up every week to drink beer and watch a movie. Its great and everyone enjoys it. Then one guy says you need a chairperson, and rules, and a secret handshake, and a versioning system for the rules, and a documented arrangement with some other guys who do the same thing at someone else’s house, and your own crypto coin for donations, and all the things.
Its all unnecessary.
Its an elective (voluntary) federation.
Within a framework designed for and around federating.
So analagously, consider maybe a set of countries that agree to a mutual trade agreement.
Instead of a multiplicity of bilateral negotiations, you have a collective group mechanism for dispute settlement, or maybe steering and implementing a new or revised regional strategy.
Or, to drop the analogy down to the more mundane and practical:
Instead of you and 5 of your friends all texting each other seperately, to figure out the carpool schedule for next week… you all just have a group chat for this.
This can seem unnecessary when scales are small.
Then maybe you happen to scale up, and then you find that the old way of doing things is actually very chaotic and confusing, and has a whole bunch of serious flaws.
Then you look back at the goobers that did all that seemingly at the time pointless extra work, and call that foresight.
are like virtual nation-states and the admin teams are ALL despotic auth-rulers with the temperaments of toddlers
So just like the big ones minus the capitalistic machine…
Our admins are lovely but severely overworked. Most admin teams I’ve interacted with are kind but overladen. Some are definitely emotionally stunted but I definitely wouldn’t establish that as a rule
People fail to understand that exactly this is the concept of a federation. You only agree on a few things, in this case the software, everything else, however, is fully individual.
Federation is not the solution here. The only solution that would work is peer to peer - no hosts at all, pure anarchy.
Is there such a place?
I suspect I wouldn’t like it but I’d like to see it in action
There is. It’s filled to the brim with nazis, cryptobros and spam
Assuming it is actually usable
What’s the “PPB” list?
It’s a joke that went over OP’s head.
He came to Hexbear to sling shit and get banned so that he’d have something to whine about.
One user, recognizing the irony, made a joke about Hexbear having it’s own list. A mod thought the joke was funny and decided to commit to the bit by putting it in the modlog, while also limiting it to a 24 hour ban.
That way, he got the ban he went looking for and he gets to make this post, but he also looks completely ridiculous whining about it to anyone paying attention.
PPB is “Pig Pooping on Balls.” One of hexbear’s favorite reaction photos is a pig with testicles so large they stick out back, and the pig literally has some of its own poop resting on its gargantuan balls.
So I guess they have a list of users they see as helpless, ignorant pigs. Delightful bunch, those hexbears.
Heh, someone downvoted you as if they think you made that up. Can’t blame them for that assumption.
This is so on point for hexbear
They don’t seem to realize how unhinged they are
It’s mostly bots and a few psyops employees, imo.
On the off chance you’re not simply pulling that out of your ass, point out a single unlabeled bot, the admins of most instances will ban them and look very hard at continued federation with an instance that permits that.
But come on, we both know you made that up.
🤷 who cares? Obviously it’s the list that anyone that dares speak against the CCP goes on
Lmao. There’s so many layers to this.
The replies to my comment on that post are my favorite. Truly zero self awareness.
The fact that you think the replies weren’t self aware is the funniest part of all this.
Like, you actually think they just randomly decided to describe banning you (for 24 hours btw) as “putting you on a list” under a post about a banlist, and it wasn’t an intentional reference?
If you actually stopped and thought about it for like two seconds, you’d get the joke, but you’re so caught up in your original thought of, “I’ll get myself banned to show how hypocritical they are” that you missed it completely.
Oh look, another butthurt ml. The fact that I got all of the ml replies at midday in China seems pretty telling
Lmao.
Hey, did you know that Hexbear literally has a clock saying the time in Moscow? Clearly, those Russian bots are just so dumb they don’t realize what a dead giveaway it is! Zero self awareness!
The anti-communist trolls are not sending their best, folks.
Good dunk bro, I’m so pwned
That would be funny if it weren’t true.
The fact that I got all of the ml replies at midday in China
it’s like 8pm in china right now, how is that midday
Okay but this is actually funny.
Like it was a 24hr ban.
But are you like actually complaining about this and not posting it because it’s funny?
Oh, I’m not actually irritated about it, I just couldn’t find a better place to post it lol. I got a good laugh about it and I figured posting it somewhere would lead to more laughs from the tankies
There’s always !tankiejerk@piefed.social and !MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works
Meanwhileongrad! That’s what I was trying to think of earlier and I was totally blanking! Thank you!
No sane person would be mad about not being able to interact with Tankies.
Who’s Rimu?
He seems to have made a post admitting he lost control
https://join.piefed.social/2026/05/12/what-worked-at-100-users-broke-at-5000/
He’s the piefed dev.
Piefed is a 1 to 1 replacement for lemmy, compatible with other fediverse things.
I joined a piefed instance specifically to move away from the lemmy devs.
Now it turns out the piefed dev is a petulant fief lord.
I should do that as well honesty
As is tradition.
The developer of piefed. Tankies hate him for obvious reasons.
It’s not like Rimu is helping his situation by making a complete ass of himself as of late.
I figured it was the Piefed or similar creator given the context. Just wasn’t sure. Part of the reason I switched from lemmy world to Piefed social
I switched specifically because tankies are pissy about piefed.
I literally wouldn’t have had any interest if not for the one two punch of the above, plus the cunty moderation antics of Dessalines et. al. on .ml.
Piefed literally has social credit score lol. The dude in charge is a nanny who thinks the users aren’t wise enough to do their own blocking. There’s been a shit ton of drama surrounding that dork in recent weeks, and all he’s done is dig in.
I would engage with you on your instance, but i appear to have been banned on .ml
I highly suspect that you will have a long leash here, and will be allowed to say just about whatever you want.
Consider that the source of your consternation is that you do not appreciate piefed’s Tit, for .ml’s Tat.
but i appear to have been banned on .ml
Uhhh, yeah you were making threats on people’s lives lol
I highly suspect that you will have a long leash here, and will be allowed to say just about whatever you want.
Bruh, you yourself just had your leash yanked on .world
What are you even talking about? Rimu is an authoritarian is the point.
I stand by every syllable.
But just for funzies, I will take you to task, and get you to explain with precision how “I” would be the source of the death threat, if the Russian Military sent an underperforming troll to the front line?
Are you suggesting that I have the power to get the Russian Military to press a troll into service?
If a Russian troll gets sent to fight in Ukraine, they would get a personalized drone visit.
Those are just facts.
Bruh, you yourself just had your leash yanked on .world
Yes. And?
Here are other “Threats” and “racist” and “hateful” facts that get deleted on .ml:
Stalin was actually a very bad man who executed a lot of Russians.
The net immigration/defection trend during the Cold War, was people fleeing from the Warsaw Pact, and not to the Warsaw Pact.
Your comments here will likely stay up here, while .ml moderation demands that Stalin be venerated, and that Putin’s Cold War revivalist bullshit is just peachy keen.
The designation of .ml feels inaccurate. It should be .mS for marxist Stalinist. Capital S for Stalin, and just a little m for Karl, based on the reality of how .ml actually is.
Well, the Lemmy devs have stated that their goal isn’t to design a system that scales well and it shows. Part of it is that there may be a future where there are too many new users for a mod team to handle, especially if the barrier for signing up is extremely low.
I switched for the post combining feature.
You’d think a bunch of self proclaimed communists would support someone cloning software for free. Hexbear is such a joke.
Hexbear was a fork of Lemmy that was merged back into the main build, which sh.it.just.works runs on. You are using their cloned software for free right now. That’s obviously not their issue.
That’s obviously not their issue.
Perhaps if we were talking about sane individuals with consistent beliefs, but these people are hypocrisy incarnate. Years of being isolated in a cult environment has rotted their brains into what you see here.
No, I’m pointing out you’re objectively incorrect, you can’t just go “but they’re soooo crraaaaaazy!” and pretend it validates your opinion you stupid little child.
You didn’t state any objective facts other than stating it was a fork of lemmy. For someone who considers themselves to have such an elevated intellect, I’m surprised you didn’t realize that.
I love the way sometimes it’s “fuck him and everything he stands for!” and other times “damn straight, I stand with him for the things he stands for!”
Sometimes the Tankies claim they stand with X because X opposes Y, but then if anybody mentions all the times X stood with Y and all the times X said things they clearly don’t stand for, then they have no response but “you’ve been brainwashed by the media”.
Fuck if I know lol, I don’t really keep up with all of the fediverse drama
Rimu is GOAT.
I don’t know who this is but I’m here for the tea
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Something something Boston tea party
Totalitarians are more alike than different from eachother.
